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Re: South Kensington station's escalator replacement project

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The article didn't mention the length of the escalator?

Longest ones apparently are to be found at the Park Pobedy metro station in Moscow at 126 m, and in St Petersburg.

Longest escalator system, and my favourite, is the Hong Kong Central–Mid-Levels escalator, at 790 m (2,600 ft). Many people's commute to work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central–Mid-Levels_escalator

Escalator accidents:

1982 Moscow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviamotornaya_(Kalininsko–Soln...

2018 Rome https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/23/hurt-in-rome-m...

Re: South Kensington station's escalator replacement project

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This is a great example of why underground railways are so expensive to run. I don't believe the London Underground has ever been profitable. Not only is it expensive to install equipment, you then have to maintain it and replace it and in this example, not even "like for like" are going to fit in the same space. When I used to go round various equipment rooms, there was electrical equipment that was the best part of…

> profitable

Infrastructure like roads is rarely directly profitable.

Re: South Kensington station's escalator replacement project

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I havent read the full article, but why is this the number 2 story on HN? Have I sorted incorrectly?

I can’t tell you why this is the #2 story, but fortunately your comment is dead last so I’ve got some evidence the ranking algorithms are working appropriately.

Re: South Kensington station's escalator replacement project

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post #31

The article didn't mention the length of the escalator? Longest ones apparently are to be found at the Park Pobedy metro station in Moscow at 126 m, and in St Petersburg. Longest escalator system, and my favourite, is the Hong Kong Central–Mid-Levels escalator, at 790 m (2,600 ft). Many people's commute to work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central–Mid-Levels_escalator Escalator accidents: 1982 Moscow https://en.wik…

the 1987 King's Cross fire was also escalator related: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%27s_Cross_fire

Smoking on the escalators, wooden steps, and build-up of trash in the inaccessible area underneath them all contributed.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Express services on shared track isn't common on metro systems. NYC's express subways all use dedicated track, for instance. The tendency to not keep to a strict timetable and the close-running of metro systems makes it hard to slot express trains into gaps between local trains properly.

Trivia. The timetable, or Working Table, for all London Underground train movements is here https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publications-and-reports/workin...

Crazy that the time between trains is measured in seconds

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To be honest, for me the most interesting part of the blog post was this one-liner "for an unbuilt high-speed District line service between South Kensington and Mansion House with just one stop at Embankment.". As one of the millions who at some historical point in their lives has had to suffer the District line commute, the above is a thought I used to have regularly whilst stuck sniffing someone's armpit on the Dis…

The majority of the tube network is pretty much already at peak capacity, with trains on the Victoria, Jubilee and Northern being full autonomous with moving block systems as separation distance can now only be maintained through autonomous systems. I think an express service would be wonderful but it would require careful orchestration. I think it might be worth increasing the line speed through signaling upgrades a…

They are effectively building an express system as seperate lines. E.g. the new Elizabeth line is effectively an express Central line.

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To be honest, for me the most interesting part of the blog post was this one-liner "for an unbuilt high-speed District line service between South Kensington and Mansion House with just one stop at Embankment.". As one of the millions who at some historical point in their lives has had to suffer the District line commute, the above is a thought I used to have regularly whilst stuck sniffing someone's armpit on the Dis…

Express services on shared track isn't common on metro systems. NYC's express subways all use dedicated track, for instance. The tendency to not keep to a strict timetable and the close-running of metro systems makes it hard to slot express trains into gaps between local trains properly.

Even with a strict timetable you need extra spacing between trains and potentially slowdowns to allow passing to be done properly. These systems on busy lines tend to run trains as close to each other as possible without causing safety issues so there's no buffer room. And if something goes wrong for any reason the whole system starts getting cascading delays.

Re: South Kensington station's escalator replacement project

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It is amazing how what might seem like fairly routine engineering jobs become completely nightmarish once you do it underground. I used to commute via Goodge Street every day. A few years ago they replaced the four lifts (in twos so that two were still in service) which ultimately took two years. I could never really fathom what it was that specifically slowed that down so much but hey the lift congestion every morni…

Compound that with the depth work too.

Unlike most metro systems, many London Underground (tube) lines are bored, and at a much greater depth. The Northern, Victoria, Bakerloo and Jubilee lines go under the river; while most systems route trains over bridges.

The history of the tube is fascinating. The most recent lines (Victoria, Jubilee, CrossRail/Elizabeth) were built by a centralised authority. The older lines were built by various railway companies wanting to extend their lines into London. Over the years, railway companies dissolved and merged, leaving the fairly awkward map (the two branches of the Northern line share a platform at Camden, a stations at Euston and Kennington, and usually nothing else).

Because of the depth and lack of foresight when building anything, changing the network is nigh on impossible without major disruption.

For example, a new terminal is being built at Bank, meaning the Northern Line platform is no longer a ’bridge’ between Bank and Monument. Most of the work is done, but a substantial amount of the line will close for 3 months to finish it off. (Unfortunately, this is my commute. It’s annoying but I’m ok with it.)

Re: South Kensington station's escalator replacement project

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To be honest, for me the most interesting part of the blog post was this one-liner "for an unbuilt high-speed District line service between South Kensington and Mansion House with just one stop at Embankment.". As one of the millions who at some historical point in their lives has had to suffer the District line commute, the above is a thought I used to have regularly whilst stuck sniffing someone's armpit on the Dis…

The only way to have express and stopping trains on the same track is to have frequent passing places. Scheduling and signalling get fiendishly complex. On somewhere like the underground, where building those extra passing places is really hard it just isn't worth it. This is one of the big missunderstandings about the HS2 line. Politicians focus on the shorter journey times, but the big win is actually increased cap…

Could you have odd / even trains that miss stops?
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