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Why do so many people move to the Falkland Islands? (2009)

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Re: Why do so many people move to the Falkland Islands? (2009)

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Post by sbacic »

kebman wrote: post #23
sbacic wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As another Croatian, I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I'd like other people to experience the breathtaking beauty of my country. On the other hand, considering all the negative externalities and the rampant devastation that comes with our brand of tourism I'm not sure I want any more tourists coming. I especially don't want tourists buying holiday homes here.

I first discovered Croatia when it was called Yugoslavia. Yes, it's an extremely beautiful country. But the area also has systemic problems that to me seems to be political in nature. Well, perhaps not all. Some of it is also simply economic. For good or bad, that leads to cheap prices on everything, which is the real reason so many people come, despite its charm. I'm sure that can be alleviated with with and good le…

> I'm sure that can be alleviated with with and good leadership, however.

I very much doubt it - one of the reasons we are in this mess is some 80+ years of human capital devastation - we have nowhere to draw experts or leaders from anymore.

Re: Why do so many people move to the Falkland Islands? (2009)

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Post by powerapple »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #24
Santosh83 wrote: post #13

If your occupied territory is far from the main seat of your remnant empire, you MUST send in as many troops as possible in the short term and then as many immigrants as possible in the long term, to consolidate your overseas hold by means of demographic claim. There is no great mystery here. What is interesting is how this behaviour from the Western nations is tacitly ignored but somehow China asserting its claim ov…

There's no great conspiracy here. The vast majority of people in Taiwan do not want to be a part of the PRC. The vast majority of people in the Falklands want to remain a British Overseas Territory.

It doesn't matter. You can kidnap a daughter from a poor family and now she doesn't want to to back. Yes, we should respect her decision, but it does not make kidnapping right. It is the result of the colonial age.

Re: Why do so many people move to the Falkland Islands? (2009)

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Post by wwtrv »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #20
arcticbull wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a closer analog to the Falklands is the European colonial powers and much of the Caribbean. The French and St. Martin/St. Barts, the Dutch and Sint Maarten/Aruba/Bonaire/Curacao - and of course the British Overseas Territories of Anguilla, Bermuda, the BVI, Montserrat and Turks and Caicos. The latter has interestingly tried to join Canada a few times. Not really located anywhere strategic.

I agree in principle, though some of these islands want to stay with France / the EU, in contrary to the Falklands it is the native people there that want to stay, not the (only) the colonialists.

Considering the islands were uninhabited when they settled, the people currently living there are the native population of the Falklands.

Re: Why do so many people move to the Falkland Islands? (2009)

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Post by arcticbull »

powerapple wrote: post #32
LAC-Tech wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no great conspiracy here. The vast majority of people in Taiwan do not want to be a part of the PRC. The vast majority of people in the Falklands want to remain a British Overseas Territory.

It doesn't matter. You can kidnap a daughter from a poor family and now she doesn't want to to back. Yes, we should respect her decision, but it does not make kidnapping right. It is the result of the colonial age.

Yes, however nobody is asking "should we do it again?" - I think the west has decided that's not their cup of tea - but instead "what should we do next?"

The challenge is in a very real way the PRC is interested in replaying the colonial era, taking over Taiwan and exerting iron-fisted control over Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong and Macau.

Re: Why do so many people move to the Falkland Islands? (2009)

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Post by hef19898 »

Santosh83 wrote: post #13

If your occupied territory is far from the main seat of your remnant empire, you MUST send in as many troops as possible in the short term and then as many immigrants as possible in the long term, to consolidate your overseas hold by means of demographic claim. There is no great mystery here. What is interesting is how this behaviour from the Western nations is tacitly ignored but somehow China asserting its claim ov…

Never mind already back in the 80s and 90s the British population of the Falklands preferred to remain a part of the UK. Nevermind Argentina invaded the Falklands and was ultimately repulsed. No idea where the idea that the Falklands belong to Argentina comes from. The only meaningful population of the islands ever was and is British. Which makes the comparison to HK and Taiwan somewhat pointless, nevermind that Taiwan is a suvereign nation and that the UK handed HK back to China.

Re: Why do so many people move to the Falkland Islands? (2009)

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Post by kebman »

sbacic wrote: post #31
kebman wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I first discovered Croatia when it was called Yugoslavia. Yes, it's an extremely beautiful country. But the area also has systemic problems that to me seems to be political in nature. Well, perhaps not all. Some of it is also simply economic. For good or bad, that leads to cheap prices on everything, which is the real reason so many people come, despite its charm. I'm sure that can be alleviated with with and good le…

> I'm sure that can be alleviated with with and good leadership, however. I very much doubt it - one of the reasons we are in this mess is some 80+ years of human capital devastation - we have nowhere to draw experts or leaders from anymore.

Hm, that's very sad to hear... What would you do about it?

Re: Why do so many people move to the Falkland Islands? (2009)

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Post by hef19898 »

powerapple wrote: post #32
LAC-Tech wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no great conspiracy here. The vast majority of people in Taiwan do not want to be a part of the PRC. The vast majority of people in the Falklands want to remain a British Overseas Territory.

It doesn't matter. You can kidnap a daughter from a poor family and now she doesn't want to to back. Yes, we should respect her decision, but it does not make kidnapping right. It is the result of the colonial age.

Argentina never had meaning full settlement there, and there was never really a native population neither. The Falklands are a bad example to show the bad things caused by colonialism, if you need examples of British colonial atrocities pick anything from Africa to India and you'll find plenty up to the 20th century.

Re: Why do so many people move to the Falkland Islands? (2009)

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Post by wonnage »

arcticbull wrote: post #34
powerapple wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't matter. You can kidnap a daughter from a poor family and now she doesn't want to to back. Yes, we should respect her decision, but it does not make kidnapping right. It is the result of the colonial age.

Yes, however nobody is asking "should we do it again?" - I think the west has decided that's not their cup of tea - but instead "what should we do next?" The challenge is in a very real way the PRC is interested in replaying the colonial era, taking over Taiwan and exerting iron-fisted control over Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong and Macau.

Hong Kong and Macau are relics of the colonial era and exerting "iron-fisted" control there is no different from exerting it over, say, Shanghai

Re: Why do so many people move to the Falkland Islands? (2009)

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Post by meowtimemania »

zingar wrote: post #17

"...(the only access to the islands) is to have a pre-arranged job contract with a company that has signed a form of bond taking responsibility for you" That sounds like all British immigration rules. My employer had to apply for my visa and had to pay all my healthcare contributions for a year up front before I could move for a job in London. If I lose my job I have a few weeks to find a new employer (who will have…

I’m from in the US and am naïve, but what is bizarre about that system?
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