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Re: 25 years ago Microsoft released Internet Explorer 3.0

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I don't think people indoctrinated in tech culture can understand just how weird something like this reads. All I could comprehend when I finished was "100 people work themselves to emotional exhaustion so American mega corp can retain monopoly status". I see nothing of valor, just a strange subculture that people are willing to sacrifice themselves to for reasons that make no sense to me. I can't imagine ruining my…

People have pride in their work. The MegaCorp, the politics, the noise all fades away and you just want to X or achieve Y. It's not something to belittle, it's something to be celebrated.

Not everything has to come back down to a paycheck. You can be paid for work but you can absolutely love what you do and/or the challenge it brings to your life.

Re: 25 years ago Microsoft released Internet Explorer 3.0

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I don't think people indoctrinated in tech culture can understand just how weird something like this reads. All I could comprehend when I finished was "100 people work themselves to emotional exhaustion so American mega corp can retain monopoly status". I see nothing of valor, just a strange subculture that people are willing to sacrifice themselves to for reasons that make no sense to me. I can't imagine ruining my…

It is a missing part of the human condition and, especially it seems to me, the male human condition to strive for something. Especially when that something is as a group. It's the feeling, I imagine, we got as hunting mammoth, or raiding others and defending our own community, or exploring a new land with dragons around the corner.

We don't have that anymore and we are poorer for it.

I envy, therefore, those that get glimpses of it through spacex achievements, or internet explorer 3.

I get mine from video games but it's probably lessor in degree. Yet still, when I felt it the strongest, it still holds one of the highest places in my memory.

Family and children are simply not the same.

Re: 25 years ago Microsoft released Internet Explorer 3.0

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I don't think people indoctrinated in tech culture can understand just how weird something like this reads. All I could comprehend when I finished was "100 people work themselves to emotional exhaustion so American mega corp can retain monopoly status". I see nothing of valor, just a strange subculture that people are willing to sacrifice themselves to for reasons that make no sense to me. I can't imagine ruining my…

I'll say one thing, and I know it will come off as cliche: If you weren't there, you may not understand. In the early days of the consumer Internet (mid/late 90s) there was a real wild west / gold rush feeling to things and it did feel like we were changing the world (spoiler: most of us weren't). I am not defending or excusing anything here, just saying that I'm sure it was a lot easier for some people, perhaps alre…

I was a teen but I remember watching my dad work on one of the first video codecs and playing a small video on an even smaller square frame inside a tiny computer monitor and him telling me how this would be the future… his codec wasn’t the main stream we use today but he was right and it was definitely a gold rush / change the world feel. Later in the 2000s for me I carried that same feeling we worked our asses off and yeah it didn’t amount to much but we learned so much… in the 2010 it’s how I was able to go on the build my own software business… It’s why I believe hard work , dedicated and consistent work does yield results that are worth it

Re: 25 years ago Microsoft released Internet Explorer 3.0

#35

I don't think people indoctrinated in tech culture can understand just how weird something like this reads. All I could comprehend when I finished was "100 people work themselves to emotional exhaustion so American mega corp can retain monopoly status". I see nothing of valor, just a strange subculture that people are willing to sacrifice themselves to for reasons that make no sense to me. I can't imagine ruining my…

It is a missing part of the human condition and, especially it seems to me, the male human condition to strive for something. Especially when that something is as a group. It's the feeling, I imagine, we got as hunting mammoth, or raiding others and defending our own community, or exploring a new land with dragons around the corner. We don't have that anymore and we are poorer for it. I envy, therefore, those that ge…

It's not a bad thing that us men don't have to kill and die in large proportions just to keep the rest of the tribe going. Let's not overly romanticize an evolutionary trait useful for getting us throw ourselves into meat grinders. Let's enjoy our games and leave it at that. (Mine is tennis)

Re: 25 years ago Microsoft released Internet Explorer 3.0

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I don't think people indoctrinated in tech culture can understand just how weird something like this reads. All I could comprehend when I finished was "100 people work themselves to emotional exhaustion so American mega corp can retain monopoly status". I see nothing of valor, just a strange subculture that people are willing to sacrifice themselves to for reasons that make no sense to me. I can't imagine ruining my…

This subculture exists everywhere. I play basketball and the most revered player is Kobe Bryant. He isn’t the best, but his work ethic and competitiveness was beyond all others. He’d probably be a jerk to play with, but most people are never in a position to do hard work to deliver something that they consider valuable.

Now what is valuable differs to each person. Basketball is just a sport. Chess just a game. A surgeon saves just one life at time. He helped write a new version of a browser. But to all of them, it’s important to them.

Re: 25 years ago Microsoft released Internet Explorer 3.0

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a missing part of the human condition and, especially it seems to me, the male human condition to strive for something. Especially when that something is as a group. It's the feeling, I imagine, we got as hunting mammoth, or raiding others and defending our own community, or exploring a new land with dragons around the corner. We don't have that anymore and we are poorer for it. I envy, therefore, those that ge…

It's not a bad thing that us men don't have to kill and die in large proportions just to keep the rest of the tribe going. Let's not overly romanticize an evolutionary trait useful for getting us throw ourselves into meat grinders. Let's enjoy our games and leave it at that. (Mine is tennis)

I didn't mean to imply that I'd trade modern life for it.

It's just that the drive is still there. And it's useful in understanding depression in men, and the will to make the best piece of software for your corporation.

Tennis cannot replace it or video games. We are stuck not wholly satisfied and must make the best of it.

Re: 25 years ago Microsoft released Internet Explorer 3.0

#38

I don't think people indoctrinated in tech culture can understand just how weird something like this reads. All I could comprehend when I finished was "100 people work themselves to emotional exhaustion so American mega corp can retain monopoly status". I see nothing of valor, just a strange subculture that people are willing to sacrifice themselves to for reasons that make no sense to me. I can't imagine ruining my…

This subculture exists everywhere. I play basketball and the most revered player is Kobe Bryant. He isn’t the best, but his work ethic and competitiveness was beyond all others. He’d probably be a jerk to play with, but most people are never in a position to do hard work to deliver something that they consider valuable. Now what is valuable differs to each person. Basketball is just a sport. Chess just a game. A surg…

Well Kobe Bryant isn't a scab like these people that work overtime for a monopolist.

Re: 25 years ago Microsoft released Internet Explorer 3.0

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This subculture exists everywhere. I play basketball and the most revered player is Kobe Bryant. He isn’t the best, but his work ethic and competitiveness was beyond all others. He’d probably be a jerk to play with, but most people are never in a position to do hard work to deliver something that they consider valuable. Now what is valuable differs to each person. Basketball is just a sport. Chess just a game. A surg…

Well Kobe Bryant isn't a scab like these people that work overtime for a monopolist.

The NBA is a monopoly for pro basketball in the US.

Re: 25 years ago Microsoft released Internet Explorer 3.0

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a bad thing that us men don't have to kill and die in large proportions just to keep the rest of the tribe going. Let's not overly romanticize an evolutionary trait useful for getting us throw ourselves into meat grinders. Let's enjoy our games and leave it at that. (Mine is tennis)

I didn't mean to imply that I'd trade modern life for it. It's just that the drive is still there. And it's useful in understanding depression in men, and the will to make the best piece of software for your corporation. Tennis cannot replace it or video games. We are stuck not wholly satisfied and must make the best of it.

Oh I agree with you there - let's recognize this vile impulse and do our best to prevent it from causing any more harm.

" If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace Behind the wagon that we flung him in, And watch the white eyes writhing in his face, His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin; If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs, Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,— My friend, you would not tell with such high zest To children ardent for some desperate glory, The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est Pro patria mori."

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