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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#31

1Password used to be native on the Mac, and now it's an Electron app. I'm not going to be using 1Password for this reason, and I encourage you to do the same. Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. Dump them!

It is native, what are you talking about?

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#32

This makes sense to me. Lots of other products have head in the same direction over time (e.g. YNAB) for similar reasons. SaaS is familiar to consumers and ultimately a nicer business model for most products. If you support SaaS for new customers, maintaining the old product / pricing model indefinitely eventually stops making sense. At some point you have to make a move like this. It is probably particularly timely…

I will run the installed version of YNAB as long as it runs on my computer, and after that I'll probably run in in a virtual machine until the end of time. I am not comfortable with my financial information being on the cloud in the hands of a third party, much less so when it is not the likes of Google and Apple with armies of security engineers and can be hacked much more easily.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#35
post #20

1Password used to be native on the Mac, and now it's an Electron app. I'm not going to be using 1Password for this reason, and I encourage you to do the same. Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. Dump them!

How does one check if an app running on a mac is native or electron?

Generally a massive bundle size, and/or inspecting the bundled frameworks themselves (right click on app -> show package -> browse folders for frameworks).

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#36
I am a big fan of 1password. I was very unhappy with the transition to subscription only, and tried bitwarden. After months of futzing around with it, I went back to 1password.

I did so after reviewing their audit results, awhat they documented about their architecture, and after they added great support for Linux. At the end of the day, not everything is a conspiracy - and their model appears to be incredibly secure.

I would like the self-hosting option (that like Bitwarden, will still require a subscription), but a big part of what I am doing is sharing credentials with family. 1Password does a great job there.

Honestly at the end of the day, everything else is about your value proposition. I didn't know or realize that 1Password had shifted to electron as asserted elsewhere. I guessed that there was a new version given that linux was supported but it made no difference for me. Great for them. Likewise, they are far more secure then me editing a password file. Eventually the market will decide here. If people really care about swift versus javascript, then it will penalize them eventually.

That said, people arguing that dashlane and others are better then 1password, given that dashlane has access to your passwords, I can't imagine that this is a choice that makes any sense given the basic requirement of a password manager (keep my passwords safe).

-- edited correction - dashlane, not lastpass.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#37

1Password used to be native on the Mac, and now it's an Electron app. I'm not going to be using 1Password for this reason, and I encourage you to do the same. Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. Dump them!

It's still native as of version 7.

edit: apparently 8 will be electron-based. So... no standalone subscriptions AND they've moved from native to electron :/

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#38
I honestly have 0 problems with this.

They’ve gone over and beyond to support old licences far longer than it could be expected, and a password manager is the kind of sensitive and ubiquitous product for which SaS actually makes sense.

Anyone remotely involved in anything similar knows it’s a PITA to keep up to date while keeping device compatibility, and the folks at 1P have been doing great work.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#39
I got started with 1Password SaaS based on a work account and added it for my family, so I am not losing anything with this change. I've generally been pleased with the service and its definitely been an upgrade from LastPass in terms of usability and security (no random autofills into hidden forms, no breaches etc...)- that said I'm sad to see this direction. I can't see how this could have been costly to maintain, nor that it would bring them incremental revenue given the backlash and ample competition. Maybe predictable cashflows are worth it, but in principle self-hosting should always be an option.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#40
post #3

I haven't had a single bad experience with Bitwarden. I even pay for it now and still run it locally just to support them. Highly recommended if you don't want to be forced into 1Password's service.

I use Bitwarden for shared passwords with my family (using an Organisation). For my personal passwords, I prefer keeping a local KeePass vault (I access over a local network drive, VPN in elsewhere). I totally agree that primitives are some of the least important parts of choosing password managers, but what I like about KeePass is that you can use Argon2 as the password derivation function and specify your hardness…

I love that KeePass works with pretty much whatever sync service you prefer. Personally, I use it with Google Drive and it even works with Android/iOS clients. However, would definitely recommend KeePassXC for desktop.
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