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Re: Rogue Academic Downloader Busted by MIT Webcam Stakeout, Arrest Report Says

#31
35 Years seems a little over the top.

Gilbert Bland Jr traveled to university libraries around the country for years, stealing maps from irreplaceable antique books, by physically removing them with a razor blade. The total value of the maps that the FBI was eventually able to recover was over $500,000. In the end he paid $70,000 and served 17 months in prison.

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#32

Sentencing a criminal to jail is theoretically supposed to be for the good of society. So in a case like this, they'd better ask themselves if society would ultimately benefit from having him behind bars. The actual damage done here was negligible, especially considering the questionable locking-down of the content in the first place (i.e. maybe it should always have been free, and it was still valued at only $50,000…

He did something stupid? He knowingly and willfully tried to go around the University block. I don't think I would send him to jail. A HEFTY fine and some community service would do.

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#33

Sentencing a criminal to jail is theoretically supposed to be for the good of society. So in a case like this, they'd better ask themselves if society would ultimately benefit from having him behind bars. The actual damage done here was negligible, especially considering the questionable locking-down of the content in the first place (i.e. maybe it should always have been free, and it was still valued at only $50,000…

Oh, how I wish you were right about "for the good of society". I completely agree with you. However, a large section of the rest of the world talks a lot about "justice", which as far as I can tell means do they deserve to go to jail, which usually gets simplified to, did they break the law.

Re: Rogue Academic Downloader Busted by MIT Webcam Stakeout, Arrest Report Says

#34
post #7

"For its part, JSTOR says it worked with Swartz’s lawyers to get the data back[...]" Interesting way of putting it. I would have said "removing the data from his possession"

Interesting way of putting it. I would have said "removing the data from his possession" This is part of a standard narrative to treat copyright infringement as theft analogous to theft of "tangible" traditional property. You will also notice terms like "documents were stolen" in the original indictment. Although to be fair to JSTOR, their official statement did not use such (imho) misleading language.

To really increase the realism of the metaphor, in the future when such content is stolen, they should refuse to serve it to library users. They could explain that, regrettably, the journal issue I seek is currently missing due to a recent theft, and assure me that they are working as fast as possible to recover the stolen documents.

Re: Rogue Academic Downloader Busted by MIT Webcam Stakeout, Arrest Report Says

#35

35 Years seems a little over the top. Gilbert Bland Jr traveled to university libraries around the country for years, stealing maps from irreplaceable antique books, by physically removing them with a razor blade. The total value of the maps that the FBI was eventually able to recover was over $500,000. In the end he paid $70,000 and served 17 months in prison.

This is a general trend, dating to the 80s, of treating Scary Computer Stuff as somehow much more dangerous than other kinds of stuff.

Related: the kids who ran LOIC to send a few megabytes of data to some websites are being charged with crimes that carry more jail time than is typically given to people who throw bricks through windows as part of a protest. Heck, you could probably burn a cop car without being in greater trouble.

Re: Rogue Academic Downloader Busted by MIT Webcam Stakeout, Arrest Report Says

#36
post #2

>The two MIT officers and Special Agent Pickett then tried to stop Swartz, who jumped off his bike and ran away, only to be caught and handcuffed by the Secret Service Agent, according to the report. RUN FASTER. I really can't stress this enough. The reason he got caught is because he didn't run fast enough. If you're going to do stuff like this, LEARN TO RUN FAST. Cops are fat and slow. You can usually get away from…

"And real gangsta-ass niggas don't run for shit, 'cause real gangsta-ass niggas can't run fast" -- Geto Boys, "Damn it Feels Good to be a Gangsta"

Re: Rogue Academic Downloader Busted by MIT Webcam Stakeout, Arrest Report Says

#37

Sentencing a criminal to jail is theoretically supposed to be for the good of society. So in a case like this, they'd better ask themselves if society would ultimately benefit from having him behind bars. The actual damage done here was negligible, especially considering the questionable locking-down of the content in the first place (i.e. maybe it should always have been free, and it was still valued at only $50,000…

He could argue that he created $50,000 of value since now there's 2 copies.

(and maybe pay the fine with 20 copies of the database)

Re: Rogue Academic Downloader Busted by MIT Webcam Stakeout, Arrest Report Says

#38
post #15
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They might ask for 35 years but if the judge gives him 35 years i'd go out to the prison with some free Aaron signs and do a hunger strike. I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one. That would be outrageous. Actually any jail time would be ridiculous, he's not a dangerous person at all.

There are many crimes for which you can go to jail even though you are not a dangerous person.

Yes, but crimes that have the potential to benefit people without hurting anyone else?

Re: Rogue Academic Downloader Busted by MIT Webcam Stakeout, Arrest Report Says

#39
post #2

>The two MIT officers and Special Agent Pickett then tried to stop Swartz, who jumped off his bike and ran away, only to be caught and handcuffed by the Secret Service Agent, according to the report. RUN FASTER. I really can't stress this enough. The reason he got caught is because he didn't run fast enough. If you're going to do stuff like this, LEARN TO RUN FAST. Cops are fat and slow. You can usually get away from…

I see the anti-cop contingent from reddit has finally arrived. Seriously, for your sake, I hope you are just trolling.

Re: Rogue Academic Downloader Busted by MIT Webcam Stakeout, Arrest Report Says

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post #39
post #2

>The two MIT officers and Special Agent Pickett then tried to stop Swartz, who jumped off his bike and ran away, only to be caught and handcuffed by the Secret Service Agent, according to the report. RUN FASTER. I really can't stress this enough. The reason he got caught is because he didn't run fast enough. If you're going to do stuff like this, LEARN TO RUN FAST. Cops are fat and slow. You can usually get away from…

I see the anti-cop contingent from reddit has finally arrived. Seriously, for your sake, I hope you are just trolling.

If you haven't noticed police skepticism on HN until now, you haven't been paying a lot of attention! It tends to go across the civil-liberties-leaning political spectrum. Before the left-leaning Reddit had a subreddit on cop abuses, the libertarian magazine Reason (reason.com) had them as a regular feature. And of course many of us read Bruce Sterling's The Hacker Crackdown as kids, and I wouldn't say that I mainly sympathized with the "crackdown" side when reading it...
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