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What cats do when we’re not looking

theguardian.com

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Re: What cats do when we’re not looking

#31

Please keep your cats inside. Most ecosystems aren’t supposed to have near-apex predators running around killing everything. Outdoor cats kill over 2 billion birds a year.

That’s a bit cruel. One compromise is to put a small bell on their collar.

They mention a couple others in the article as well:

Bells on collars work, as does switching cats on to a premium, high-protein food diet, and giving them mental stimulation by playing with them in the morning. “Changing the cat’s food can reduce the amount of wildlife they kill by over a third,” says McDonald. “And playing with your cat, more than a quarter. These are positive actions for the cat that also have a positive outcome on their behaviour.”

Re: What cats do when we’re not looking

#33

Please keep your cats inside. Most ecosystems aren’t supposed to have near-apex predators running around killing everything. Outdoor cats kill over 2 billion birds a year.

For those that want to let their cats outside, bird safe collars are a good compromise.

https://www.birdsbesafe.com/

I have a cat that's an expert hunter, and he now wears one of those collars daily. The collar has reduced his catch to essentially zero (maybe 1-2 birds / year).

Re: What cats do when we’re not looking

#34

No need for GPS or cameras. Cats are stone cold hunter killers. Almost brainless too. They kill anything that moves and is edible. We all know cats that sometimes just kill for the sake of killing (practice??) and don’t even eat the prey. It’s like the cats brain is just made for hunting and killing and very little else. Just watch how stupid cats are in cat videos — except when they are hunting. I have a cat at one…

In my experience they are far from brainless, but the how much brainy they are and how much they show their capabilities varies a lot.

I have had extremely smart and extremely dumb cats in my life, single example here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13272071

but that did not affect in any way their hunting/killing capabilities, that part is something that is independent.

Re: What cats do when we’re not looking

#35
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Are there any god GPS trackers for cats that people would advice? The article mentions nothing about the setup or tech, and I'd love to find out what my cats are up to before they come home with another rabbit or bird (probably sleeping).

I've actually had a tracker from Tractive for my cat for a year. It works.. okay-ish? Well enough?

It lost connection pretty regular, probably because she crawled thru some bushes or undergrowth. The battery lasted only 1 day, so every day we needed to catch her (In summer she doesn't come home except for maybe 1 hour a day or so?) and recharge the collar. The battery is not removable, so you have to take the whole collar from the cat and put it on again later. This was pretty annoying and we definitely got some scratches from her.

Though now I have a KML file with over 1mm data points, so this is very cool. But in the end the battery capacity was annoying and the daily recharge was too much of a hassle, so we didn't renewed our subscription.

They seem to have a new tracker generation, maybe the battery problem is already fixed? I don't know.

Re: What cats do when we’re not looking

#36

Please keep your cats inside. Most ecosystems aren’t supposed to have near-apex predators running around killing everything. Outdoor cats kill over 2 billion birds a year.

Ecosystems also aren’t supposed to have uncontrolled prey populations, that are also being fed by humans. And since the number of other bird hunting predators is almost negligible anywhere humans live with their cats, this effectively balances put the lack of all other predators. If the cats wouldn’t kill those 2 billion birds we would drown in their shit and the resulting diseases.

Re: What cats do when we’re not looking

#37
"Don't let your cats out" people are too citified for me to imagine.

I'd have to walk a half mile to get a neighbor in rifle range; we need outdoor catS, plural, to keep the rodent population dented around the house. It doesn't "keep mice out" to have 3 cats around, but it noticeably reduces their numbers and comfort level when they come after the sacks of feed.

We're down to one cat this summer, and she's aged past much hunting but is too dignified and settled for us to upset her with new kittens.

Re: What cats do when we’re not looking

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your neighbourhood didn't get a cat. You did. I don't enjoy your cat shitting in my bushes, scratching my car climbing up it, killing birds in my yard, or any of the other million annoying things cats do. You don't have an automatic right to make the entire neighborhood a playground for the pet you decided to have. If I find one in my yard I catch it and turn it into the humane society.

Your attitude reminds me of when I briefly used that Nextdoor social network until someone in my neighborhood started bitching at me for running past their house every morning, somehow ruining their day.

did you also key his car, shit in his yard, and kill all the birds and squirrels?

Re: What cats do when we’re not looking

#39

Please keep your cats inside. Most ecosystems aren’t supposed to have near-apex predators running around killing everything. Outdoor cats kill over 2 billion birds a year.

Here's what the posted article had to say.

> The RSPB says there is “no clear scientific evidence” that cats are causing bird populations to decline, but there is a perception among some British bird-lovers that cats are a menace and should be kept indoors. (In countries where cats are not a native species, such as Australia and New Zealand, they can have a devastating impact on wildlife.)

> “I do feel that cats are an easy target,” says Bradshaw. “Skyscrapers kill more birds than cats do. But you don’t see people standing outside the factories where glass is made, saying: ‘You’re bird-killers.’”

Re: What cats do when we’re not looking

#40

Please keep your cats inside. Most ecosystems aren’t supposed to have near-apex predators running around killing everything. Outdoor cats kill over 2 billion birds a year.

Ecosystems also aren’t supposed to have uncontrolled prey populations, that are also being fed by humans. And since the number of other bird hunting predators is almost negligible anywhere humans live with their cats, this effectively balances put the lack of all other predators. If the cats wouldn’t kill those 2 billion birds we would drown in their shit and the resulting diseases.

This is deeply wrong on many levels. Let's start with birds of prey eating other birds. It's not true that there are no other predators / checks on population growth. A lot of animals eat eggs as well. And humans do a pretty good job killing birds with windows.
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