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Xsolla fires 150 employees using analysis of chat and email activity

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Re: Xsolla fires 150 employees using analysis of chat and email activity

#31

> we will help you find a good place, where you will earn more and work even less Wow you're really selling it for us. PR nightmare.

It sounds great, honestly. Sounds like his employees are working more for less pay. I know he's insulting his employees but still pretty awesome if he actually found a better position for his people.

Who doesn't want to make more and work less? I wish I could make money while doing nothing.

Re: Xsolla fires 150 employees using analysis of chat and email activity

#32

Reminds me of a story I heard from a friend. Some consulting firm came in to the company and decided, based on number of commits (or some such metric), that one particular engineer was the lowest performing engineer on the team. So, management fired them. Turns out that engineer was the one who everyone side-channeled with to get help when blocked. They were the one who knew the system best and were enabling everyone…

Result: git committing, excessively.

And stop squashing.

Re: Xsolla fires 150 employees using analysis of chat and email activity

#34
In my first job, I took standup to be a pace keeping device, so for a while I would hack together something to have it ready, or if I did two things in a day, I would withhold one to have something to report the next day.

I did not continue to do that as when a task carried over into the next day I wasn’t hassled about it, but whenever things like this occur I have to wonder if there are places where this strategy would be required.

Re: Xsolla fires 150 employees using analysis of chat and email activity

#35

This reminds me of Ted Talks about the original thinkers by Adam Grant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxbCHn6gE3U Just because these people are not behaving or contributing the same way like others, it doesn't mean they are worthless. If company design the work "game" like such, people will try to cheat the game like automatically producing whole bunch of crap on daily basis - is that productive? Then, they will ha…

Adam Grant is a gem @AdamMGrant is insightful and full of wit.

Re: Xsolla fires 150 employees using analysis of chat and email activity

#36
post #6

"You received this email because my big data team analyzed your activities in Jira, Confluence, Gmail, chats, documents, dashboards and tagged you as unengaged and unproductive employees. In other words, you were not always present at the workplace when you worked remotely." Sweet. Maybe we are hitting the day when all of your code commits, all communication, location in the building, telecommute meetings, etc. etc.…

I suspect this will be an unpopular opinion here, but I think that if you set the thresholds conservatively enough, a tool like this could be useful in identifying people who are not contributing. Where I work there are searchable tool invocation logs and there have been cases where someone is only compiling code one or twice a month, who not too long after I discovered this made an exit.

If you're enough sigmas below the median, it might be worth a closer look at least. Human review would be necessary of course. There are a plethora of ways to contribute. But it doesn't seem controversial that there must be some signal to be extracted from logs like those described in TFA.

Re: Xsolla fires 150 employees using analysis of chat and email activity

#37

I wouldn't take this at face value. It's more likely that they already wanted to do the layoffs and just put the burden on the employees.

Exactly what I was thinking. Pure speculation, but they needed to do a big layoff so they come up with a "process" instead of making the news "we're not doing well so we had to lay off 150 people".

Re: Xsolla fires 150 employees using analysis of chat and email activity

#38

Reminds me of a story I heard from a friend. Some consulting firm came in to the company and decided, based on number of commits (or some such metric), that one particular engineer was the lowest performing engineer on the team. So, management fired them. Turns out that engineer was the one who everyone side-channeled with to get help when blocked. They were the one who knew the system best and were enabling everyone…

An old boss of mine used to acknowledge people that had contributed excessively high LoCs at the weekly standup. Typically it used to be an indicator that somebody had completed a large portion of work. Then a new guy started topping the LoC charts every week, and it was discovered that he was reformatting every file he touched to use his preferred indentation scheme.

It was a pretty lighthearted thing to begin with, but they stopped mentioning it entirely after that.

Re: Xsolla fires 150 employees using analysis of chat and email activity

#39
Busyness is not productivity. But organizations have a history of using metrics that measure 'busyness' when they say they are measuring productivity. Things like how often you are seen at the water cooler or chatting with a co-worker, how quickly you respond to communications, how quickly can you be reached, any time, anywhere, whenever someone wants to reach you.

https://maxfrenzel.medium.com/in-praise-of-deep-work-full-di...

Re: Xsolla fires 150 employees using analysis of chat and email activity

#40
post #22

Reminds me of a story I heard from a friend. Some consulting firm came in to the company and decided, based on number of commits (or some such metric), that one particular engineer was the lowest performing engineer on the team. So, management fired them. Turns out that engineer was the one who everyone side-channeled with to get help when blocked. They were the one who knew the system best and were enabling everyone…

Flip side: engineers who curry favor without delivering value can't hide it quite as easily. Those who do their jobs without sucking up have a chance for recognition.

It's pretty cynical to view the person who is helping others get unstuck as "currying favor".

In every place I've worked, the person who has helped me get unstuck has always been one of the most productive and talented members of the team. If they weren't, why would I need their help?

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