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AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them helped

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Re: AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them helped

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Post by JohnJamesRambo »

Should have built AI tools to educate the ignorant populace and encourage them to get a vaccine. I know there have to be tons of adboys and girls out there whose only job is to persuade people to do something that could have knocked this out of the park. I see we are still at about 50% vaccination and Walmart is begging people to come get a free vaccine. I’m sorry my tone is negative but this is really getting me frustrated and making me lose hope in the future of humanity really. The stupid is winning. It’s the Asimov quote coming true. :( We’ve got to take real action against this.

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."

Re: AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them helped

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Post by wesleywt »

As a biologist who started working in ML, I see exactly the same issues in the field I am working in. I am spending most of my time fixing bad while others just use the public datasets as is. Maybe I am wasting my time because they are in the top journals and I am not.

Re: AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them helped

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Post by jauer »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #31

Should have built AI tools to educate the ignorant populace and encourage them to get a vaccine. I know there have to be tons of adboys and girls out there whose only job is to persuade people to do something that could have knocked this out of the park. I see we are still at about 50% vaccination and Walmart is begging people to come get a free vaccine. I’m sorry my tone is negative but this is really getting me fru…

(also frustrated) re: adboys and girls, the problem (at least in the US) is that vaccines are political, so persuading people to get them is seen as dangerously close to subverting democratic society. Same thing as taking action to counter foreign influence campaigns.

see also: the leaks to project veritas about Facebook's counter vaccine hesitancy program.

Re: AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them helped

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Post by [deleted] »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #31

Should have built AI tools to educate the ignorant populace and encourage them to get a vaccine. I know there have to be tons of adboys and girls out there whose only job is to persuade people to do something that could have knocked this out of the park. I see we are still at about 50% vaccination and Walmart is begging people to come get a free vaccine. I’m sorry my tone is negative but this is really getting me fru…

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Re: AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them helped

#37

Post by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS »

jauer wrote: post #34
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #31

Should have built AI tools to educate the ignorant populace and encourage them to get a vaccine. I know there have to be tons of adboys and girls out there whose only job is to persuade people to do something that could have knocked this out of the park. I see we are still at about 50% vaccination and Walmart is begging people to come get a free vaccine. I’m sorry my tone is negative but this is really getting me fru…

(also frustrated) re: adboys and girls, the problem (at least in the US) is that vaccines are political, so persuading people to get them is seen as dangerously close to subverting democratic society. Same thing as taking action to counter foreign influence campaigns. see also: the leaks to project veritas about Facebook's counter vaccine hesitancy program.

Well, back when Harris and Biden both said they were hesitant to get a vaccine produced under Trump, they kinda set the stage for the dumpster fire we have today.

Re: AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them helped

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Post by selimthegrim »

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #37
jauer wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(also frustrated) re: adboys and girls, the problem (at least in the US) is that vaccines are political, so persuading people to get them is seen as dangerously close to subverting democratic society. Same thing as taking action to counter foreign influence campaigns. see also: the leaks to project veritas about Facebook's counter vaccine hesitancy program.

Well, back when Harris and Biden both said they were hesitant to get a vaccine produced under Trump, they kinda set the stage for the dumpster fire we have today.

The point was if he rushed it. The companies delayed their announcement and strengthened the trials so the current Trumpista favorite argument would in theory lose steam.

Re: AI tools have been built to catch Covid, but none of them helped

#40

Post by jltsiren »

briefcomment wrote: post #6
vitorsr wrote: post #2

> “The models are so similar—they almost all use the same techniques with minor tweaks, the same inputs—and they all make the same mistakes,” says Wynants. “If all these people making new models instead tested models that were already available, maybe we’d have something that could really help in the clinic by now.” Sounds about right.

I'm curious what people find is more likely given this evidence: - 100s of models were done incorrectly, and none even remotely correctly - there is no phenomenon to correctly model Both seem extremely unlikely. Not sure what the alternatives are.

As someone with a background in CS (but not AI/ML) and working in bioinformatics:

People with a background in methods like solving problems that are easy to solve with the methods they know. Those are rarely the problems people in biology/medicine want to solve. Some common pitfalls include:

* Asking the right questions.

* Framing the questions correctly.

* Finding computational problems that capture the essence of the questions and that can be solved efficiently.

* Interpreting the results.

* Avoiding systemic biases in rare but important edge cases.

Finding the right problems to solve takes time, and the first attempts will probably fail.

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