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Re: I went to the office for the first time. I fucking hated it

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Post by MattGaiser »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #4

> If you like/prefer going to the office that is fine. I am not trying to say we should all be remote. Companies should offer FLEXIBILITY to let employees choose where to work from. That doesn’t work. I prefer working in the office, but only if the rest of my team is actually there with me. If some people are remote, then we have to do Zoom meetings, so I may as well be remote too.

This is why I have doubts about hybrid. I work for an aggressively hybrid company. All it means is that I have to go in and have meetings at by desk beside other people having meetings at their desks.

Re: I went to the office for the first time. I fucking hated it

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Post by RHSeeger »

cradcore wrote: post #15
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #4

> If you like/prefer going to the office that is fine. I am not trying to say we should all be remote. Companies should offer FLEXIBILITY to let employees choose where to work from. That doesn’t work. I prefer working in the office, but only if the rest of my team is actually there with me. If some people are remote, then we have to do Zoom meetings, so I may as well be remote too.

Why should your preferences dictate what other people do? What makes your preference for having people in the office more important than their preference to want to work from home?

That's not what they said, though. What they said was that the benefit of being in the office is lost of it isn't the case that most of the team are in the office. As such, either

1. Most of the people on the team should be working from the office (benefits of being together as a team), OR

2. Most of the team should be working remote (benefits of working remotely)

The point being made was that the third option, each person gets to pick what they want, isn't really a viable option. The team should pick one option or the other. Nowhere was it was that the "in the office" option should be the one chosen, just that it was their, personal preference.

* There are some other reasons for working in the office besides being in proximity to your co-workers, but that's generally seen as the primary benefit by a lot of people.

Re: I went to the office for the first time. I fucking hated it

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Post by jhloa2 »

MattGaiser wrote: post #31
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #4

> If you like/prefer going to the office that is fine. I am not trying to say we should all be remote. Companies should offer FLEXIBILITY to let employees choose where to work from. That doesn’t work. I prefer working in the office, but only if the rest of my team is actually there with me. If some people are remote, then we have to do Zoom meetings, so I may as well be remote too.

This is why I have doubts about hybrid. I work for an aggressively hybrid company. All it means is that I have to go in and have meetings at by desk beside other people having meetings at their desks.

I agree for internal meeting, but in my industry where external meetings are a huge part of my job, it's meant way less driving to meetings for me which has been a huge boost to my productivity levels.

Re: I went to the office for the first time. I fucking hated it

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Post by enriquto »

MattGaiser wrote: post #31
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #4

> If you like/prefer going to the office that is fine. I am not trying to say we should all be remote. Companies should offer FLEXIBILITY to let employees choose where to work from. That doesn’t work. I prefer working in the office, but only if the rest of my team is actually there with me. If some people are remote, then we have to do Zoom meetings, so I may as well be remote too.

This is why I have doubts about hybrid. I work for an aggressively hybrid company. All it means is that I have to go in and have meetings at by desk beside other people having meetings at their desks.

I thought hybrid meant that two days per week everybody goes to the lab, the rest of the days are remote.

Re: I went to the office for the first time. I fucking hated it

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Post by shard972 »

zz865 wrote: post #30
rodgerd wrote: post #23

The saddest thing is the people giving him a hard time for "being entitled". How fucked have our mindsets been by decades of anti-union, anti-worker propoganda, elevating CEOs to philosopher-kings, that people argue for their own bondage?

There is no bondage but if you dont like the job, quit dont complain about it.

just go starve and die, see i offered a solution, im helping.

Re: I went to the office for the first time. I fucking hated it

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Post by galdosdi »

kumarvvr wrote: post #8

The sense of sitting in office is a tremendous waste of time and potential is inescapable. I work in the engineering industry and am lucky enough that I get to have privacy and my manager is good. I ensure I do my work and well at that. But I know friends in IT who absolutely loathe the feeling of being in a monitored jail cell.

Yeah but the real root cause (of that awful "I am wasting my time and life right now" feeling) is that modern office work often involves getting M hrs (M IMHO it can actually be more frustrating because one feels more on the hook for keeping an eye on notifications. At least at the office I can zone out or focus on something personal or work related, safely assured if a boss really needs me I can be found in person, rather than just missing a ping and being assumed to be a slacker.

The above depends a lot on your company culture though. It's a common failure mode though.

Re: I went to the office for the first time. I fucking hated it

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Post by Nbox9 »

Wow, that seems like a terrible place to work.

Why is he going to a daily meeting if he doesn’t have to pay attention to the meeting?

Why is there not an incentive to complete more than one card a day? If one card can take as little as two hours it seems like a massive waste to expect someone to only do one card.

Why doesn’t he have proper equipment? If you spend XXX,XXX a year for an employee it makes sense to spend X,XXX/yr for proper equipment. The company should provide high quality mouse/keyboard/headset.

Re: I went to the office for the first time. I fucking hated it

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Post by neolog »

canadianfella wrote: post #19
cradcore wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should your preferences dictate what other people do? What makes your preference for having people in the office more important than their preference to want to work from home?

Work isn’t a democracy.

depends on the company.

Re: I went to the office for the first time. I fucking hated it

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Post by RHSeeger »

hermitdev wrote: post #27
cradcore wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should your preferences dictate what other people do? What makes your preference for having people in the office more important than their preference to want to work from home?

Why should the people preferring to work from home get preference, either? At the end of the day, like it or not, the majority of people working for a company of beyond a small size are going to be in some level of a collaborative environment. Logistically, it's easier to accomplish that in person. No dropped calls or poor connections or VPN drops or whatever. As an engineer, I sympathize with the poster. When I need…

> At the end of the day, like it or not, the majority of people working for a company of beyond a small size are going to be in some level of a collaborative environment. Logistically, it's easier to accomplish that in person.

You say this like it's a foregone conclusion, a fact. I disagree with it completely. It's far easier to collaborate remotely. You don't need find a meeting room, you don't need to worry about making too much noise, you don't need to worry about adding one person from another location suddenly changing the entire dynamic.

It's nice to work together in person occasionally, but I'd much rather collaborate remotely... and get together for lunch now and again.

Re: I went to the office for the first time. I fucking hated it

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Post by MattGaiser »

enriquto wrote: post #34
MattGaiser wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I have doubts about hybrid. I work for an aggressively hybrid company. All it means is that I have to go in and have meetings at by desk beside other people having meetings at their desks.

I thought hybrid meant that two days per week everybody goes to the lab, the rest of the days are remote.

Yes, but if everyone is out three days a week, in pretty much every meeting, at least one person is going to be out, making nearly all meetings virtual by default.
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