Are they competing with excel ? ;)
No-code startup Bubble raises $100M
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Re: No-code startup Bubble raises $100M
#32What's the next 10x technological innovation for no code? What would it take to remove programming from web development? Bubble seems excellent, but it is in a competitive field.
Declarative goal based development. You type in English what you want the application to do, and some developer tool generates thousands of variants (maybe through a genetic algorithm?) until you reach a design and functionality you're comfortable shipping. At a certain point we should be able to declaratively describe entire businesses, and have the computer work with vendors and other people online to carry out bus…
> You type in English what you want the application to do.
In my experience this is the hardest part of coding, to a large degree.
Re: No-code startup Bubble raises $100M
#33What's the next 10x technological innovation for no code? What would it take to remove programming from web development? Bubble seems excellent, but it is in a competitive field.
Taking the history of a spreadsheet file, seeing what has been added to it over time, and where, and automatically generating a web application from that.
Often some spreadsheet has grown organically to solve some problem, with or without code.
Re: No-code startup Bubble raises $100M
#34A friend launched his startup recently with a product development consultant who built 1.0 and a lot of 2.0 in Bubble, in just a few months. The iterative mindset is a big part of why they moved so quickly but my friend reports that the tools helped and meant he could contribute with a lot of direct text entry and view layout, if not logic building.
The consultant does a lot of internal app prototyping and initial development in Bubble for Wal-Mart corporate so I imagine app builders are doing some substantial land grabbing in other large enterprises with their raised money.
Re: No-code startup Bubble raises $100M
#35Can someone help me understand the no-code movement and what supposedly has changed in the last few years?
I know Microsoft tried to allow non-developers to create apps without developers, and they have been trying for decades. But failed! They built an app that allowed you to drag and drop blocks, and they tried a visual query builder(not sure what the exact name was) for SQL. They added a workflow builder to SharePoint.
They all worked great during the marketing demos. But as soon as you had to execute a slightly complex process/workflow/idea, it broke. And that happens almost on day 2 after deployment. The only success they found in automation was by getting non-devs to learn development using VBA macros for MS Office.
How is the current suite of no-code apps different. How will they solve the problem with non-trivial tasks?
Re: No-code startup Bubble raises $100M
#36I am an optimist about low code platforms and apps. I think sufficiently patient people with a disposition for a bit of logic can successfully achieve solid work.
Recently I witnessed some friends get quite far by using a game engine called Unreal which allows people to use a “no code” alternative to C++ called Blueprints.
It can get a bit unwieldy when enough logic is created but if you’re disciplined about the diagramming etc it can be mitigated.
Re: No-code startup Bubble raises $100M
#37I had to use this for a client project once (per their request) a few years ago and as a developer it was an absolute nightmare. But I guess it's not meant for developers...
There were so many quirks and limitations that I wouldn't ever recommend it to anyone. It's to app development what Macromedia Dreamweaver was to web development back in the day, except worse because you can't edit the code.
I don't want to be overly negative so I'll say that I do see value in it for those who have no technical skills or programming knowledge to create some sort of prototype, but that's about it.
Re: No-code startup Bubble raises $100M
#38Can someone help me understand the no-code movement and what supposedly has changed in the last few years? I know Microsoft tried to allow non-developers to create apps without developers, and they have been trying for decades. But failed! They built an app that allowed you to drag and drop blocks, and they tried a visual query builder(not sure what the exact name was) for SQL. They added a workflow builder to ShareP…
I think what has changed is mostly people’s “literacy” towards coding, automation, APIs (integration), etc.
Where before concepts like a logic branch and a loop were very foreign I think a lot more people know what they mean.
Also the industry has learned that 80% of the uses cases are around CRUD and different ways to enter data and view data.
Re: No-code startup Bubble raises $100M
#39Can someone help me understand the no-code movement and what supposedly has changed in the last few years? I know Microsoft tried to allow non-developers to create apps without developers, and they have been trying for decades. But failed! They built an app that allowed you to drag and drop blocks, and they tried a visual query builder(not sure what the exact name was) for SQL. They added a workflow builder to ShareP…
Integrations, and the number of API-as-a-service tools like Twilio available today. The core idea's the same as previous shots at no-code dev, but the number of things you can do, the features you build into a product, just by integrating with another service, is staggering.
The same way things like Twilio/Stripe/AWS speed up standard development also make no-code development more valuable.
Re: No-code startup Bubble raises $100M
#40Can someone help me understand the no-code movement and what supposedly has changed in the last few years? I know Microsoft tried to allow non-developers to create apps without developers, and they have been trying for decades. But failed! They built an app that allowed you to drag and drop blocks, and they tried a visual query builder(not sure what the exact name was) for SQL. They added a workflow builder to ShareP…
I’m interested in what these things do better than Salesforce, which is incredibly powerful Apps for gaps foothold, and allows both code and no code development.
I suspect the answer is that they don’t require you to buy seats for all the users, but wonder if anyone is familiar with both.