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Explosion in central Oslo

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Re: Explosion in central Oslo

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Post by scythe »

guard-of-terra wrote: post #11
InclinedPlane wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't necessarily rule out al qaeda involvement, there have been caucasian taliban et al before. But we shouldn't jump to conclusions until we have the facts regardless.

Arabs tend to be caucasian as in Europoid - they're semitic, and semites are usually Europoid. I don't have a word for what you wanted to say readily available, sorry.

"White people" is a perfectly reasonable term; you don't need to dress it up if that's what you mean. Genetically, it's not totally accurate ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people#21st_century ) but socially, it's a thing.

Re: Explosion in central Oslo

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Post by guruz »

I'm living in Oslo.

With my friends here there is already a Facebook worm going on which is supposed to show some video footage about the explosion but when you click it you're just spreading/liking the video.

Shocking to see how fast spammers are.

Re: Explosion in central Oslo

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Post by cafebabe »

guruz wrote: post #32

I'm living in Oslo. With my friends here there is already a Facebook worm going on which is supposed to show some video footage about the explosion but when you click it you're just spreading/liking the video. Shocking to see how fast spammers are.

I wonder when the spammers start to pay for those incidents...

Hope, you and your friends are well!

Re: Explosion in central Oslo

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Post by netmau5 »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #28
netmau5 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose bad people do bad things, regardless of an honorable ideology. Still, I see Norway in the same way as I see Canada. They do not take strong statements for or against others, they do not engage in the affairs of others, they have had a long (modern) history of peaceful relations/intentions. The most aggressive thing they've done is commit handfuls of troops to a multinational "peacekeeping" missions. I guess…

What honorable ideology do you mean? Or are you speaking generically? Al qaeda's ideology is quite simple. They reject modernity, they reject individualism, they reject modern commerce, and industry, and open societies. They want to end the influence of the western, liberal world on the arab/islamic world so that the latter can be returned to or preserved as a bastion of conservative and traditionalist culture and re…

I'm speaking generically. It is difficult to imagine a moral code by which al'Qaedas actions are not objectionable (although there is obviously at least one). That being said, we often conflate absolute morality with personal perspective. Some causes have more gray areas than others for certain.

Good point on the cartoon, I had forgotten it was published there and can understand the outrage stemming from it.

Re: Explosion in central Oslo

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Post by uggedal »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #9
chippy wrote: post #8

apparently the shooter on the island was nordic, tall, blonde in appearance. (according to tv2.no news)

That doesn't necessarily rule out al qaeda involvement, there have been caucasian taliban et al before. But we shouldn't jump to conclusions until we have the facts regardless.

The Minister of Justice just confirmed that the shooter was Norwegian in a press conference. They have not confirmed his etnisity though.

Re: Explosion in central Oslo

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Post by lukeschlather »

swah wrote: post #34

We need to partition HN. I love your input, but "If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic."

I remember someone noting that "If the world ended, I'm confident it would be covered immediately on HN."

I think this qualifies as something of sufficient importance that it should be here just so everyone is aware. We could do without the comments though. Maybe a "no comment" sort of link for events of vital importance that are off-topic? It would make a lot more sense than disabling comments for YC job postings.

Re: Explosion in central Oslo

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Post by h51bus »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #28
netmau5 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose bad people do bad things, regardless of an honorable ideology. Still, I see Norway in the same way as I see Canada. They do not take strong statements for or against others, they do not engage in the affairs of others, they have had a long (modern) history of peaceful relations/intentions. The most aggressive thing they've done is commit handfuls of troops to a multinational "peacekeeping" missions. I guess…

What honorable ideology do you mean? Or are you speaking generically? Al qaeda's ideology is quite simple. They reject modernity, they reject individualism, they reject modern commerce, and industry, and open societies. They want to end the influence of the western, liberal world on the arab/islamic world so that the latter can be returned to or preserved as a bastion of conservative and traditionalist culture and re…

"Norwegian newspapers reprinted the famously blasphemous "Mohammad cartoons", for example. We may not imagine that such a thing is important". Actually they did. That was the entire point of reprinting the cartoons- to show they would not cower in fear and gag themselves because a very small minority threaten violence. If you are willing to sacrifice free speech, art and rational civilised debate for fear of offending people because of "blasphemy" then those terrorists are already winning.

Re: Explosion in central Oslo

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Post by cheez »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #9
chippy wrote: post #8

apparently the shooter on the island was nordic, tall, blonde in appearance. (according to tv2.no news)

That doesn't necessarily rule out al qaeda involvement, there have been caucasian taliban et al before. But we shouldn't jump to conclusions until we have the facts regardless.

I remember the Oklahoma bombing and the first picture was of some random brown muslim guy. Turns out, it was a white athiest.

Look up the FBI stats on radical muslim bombings on US soil vs radical christian vs radical athiest bombings. In fact, I seem to recall that radical jews had more attacks on US soil than radical muslims.

And since 9/11 was so neatly sown up, we'll never really know who was truly behind it.

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