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Re: ‘If You’re Not a Criminal, Don’t Be Afraid’– NSO CEO says

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Post by matheusmoreira » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 4:37 PM UTC

babyblueblanket wrote: post #18

Sure, let's start with the NSO CEO first! I'm sure there's nothing wrong with asking him to drop all his phone data, private messages, calls, to any state actor, right?

Completely agree. Every time someone says "I got nothing to hide" they should have to prove it by doxxing themselves. The argument will be over when they refuse to do it.

Re: ‘If You’re Not a Criminal, Don’t Be Afraid’– NSO CEO says

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Post by netrus » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 4:38 PM UTC

mandeepj wrote: post #19

> ‘If You’re Not a Criminal, Don’t Be Afraid’– NSO CEO says What a psychopath. So, that means we have not stolen anything then - we should leave all the doors of our homes open.

To be fair, your door is basically open to your government. If it wants to be in your house, it can be. If it wants to observe you unnoticed, it can. There is no winning against corrupt governments - other than getting rid of them. That being said, I want my government to help others to get rid of corrupt governments, and that should include actions against NSO.

Re: ‘If You’re Not a Criminal, Don’t Be Afraid’– NSO CEO says

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Post by cblconfederate » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 4:38 PM UTC

A few years later, this kind of business will be outlawed. It's basically theft that's currently legal by taking advantage of the legal vacuum. In the name of pedofilia and terrorism the constant surveillance has become so pervasive that it won't be long before people will stop caring about those things , because living as a farmed animal gets really old after a while.

Re: ‘If You’re Not a Criminal, Don’t Be Afraid’– NSO CEO says

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Post by JohnFen » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 4:41 PM UTC

Zelphyr wrote: post #11

That's like people who say, "I don't have anything to hide, I've done nothing wrong." to which I reply, "Ok. Take your clothes off right now. Remove the curtains from your bedroom window and the door off of your bathroom." The look on their face is that of incredulity. People have an expectation of privacy and need the ability to hide perfectly benign things in their lives. Most importantly, they should have the free…

Not to mention that since he says the NSO doesn't have anything to do with how their system is used, he can't possibly assure anyone that if they aren't a criminal then they have nothing to fear.

The amount of obvious deception and doubletalk coming from them goes a long way to confirming that the NSO are not good guys.

Re: ‘If You’re Not a Criminal, Don’t Be Afraid’– NSO CEO says

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Post by quantum_state » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 4:45 PM UTC

That’s what the Big Brother would say …

Re: ‘If You’re Not a Criminal, Don’t Be Afraid’– NSO CEO says

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Post by ibeckermayer » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 4:49 PM UTC

netrus wrote: post #32

mandeepj wrote: post #19

> ‘If You’re Not a Criminal, Don’t Be Afraid’– NSO CEO says What a psychopath. So, that means we have not stolen anything then - we should leave all the doors of our homes open.

To be fair, your door is basically open to your government. If it wants to be in your house, it can be. If it wants to observe you unnoticed, it can. There is no winning against corrupt governments - other than getting rid of them. That being said, I want my government to help others to get rid of corrupt governments, and that should include actions against NSO.

The point is that it is indeed a criminally corrupt government that would enter your house without just probable cause. Concerning oneself with the implementation and maintenance of such principles of justice is wise even if you have “nothing to hide”. Pointing out that the government could barge through your door via heavily armed police or military is beside the point.

Re: ‘If You’re Not a Criminal, Don’t Be Afraid’– NSO CEO says

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Post by incrudible » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 4:55 PM UTC

In other words: "Be Afraid"

Re: ‘If You’re Not a Criminal, Don’t Be Afraid’– NSO CEO says

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Post by xyzzy21 » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 4:58 PM UTC

The problem is our legal system has become something where everyone is violating some law somehow all the time. So everyone is a possible criminal.

Re: ‘If You’re Not a Criminal, Don’t Be Afraid’– NSO CEO says

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Post by pwdisswordfish8 » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 5:08 PM UTC

Zelphyr wrote: post #11

That's like people who say, "I don't have anything to hide, I've done nothing wrong." to which I reply, "Ok. Take your clothes off right now. Remove the curtains from your bedroom window and the door off of your bathroom." The look on their face is that of incredulity. People have an expectation of privacy and need the ability to hide perfectly benign things in their lives. Most importantly, they should have the free…

Another simple test is to ask them to put their phone number somewhere public. The fact that people aren't even comfortable doing that which was considered normal and expected 25 years ago really destroys the credibility of the "nothing to hide" folks' arguments.

Re: ‘If You’re Not a Criminal, Don’t Be Afraid’– NSO CEO says

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Post by xwolfi » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 5:22 PM UTC

Zelphyr wrote: post #11

That's like people who say, "I don't have anything to hide, I've done nothing wrong." to which I reply, "Ok. Take your clothes off right now. Remove the curtains from your bedroom window and the door off of your bathroom." The look on their face is that of incredulity. People have an expectation of privacy and need the ability to hide perfectly benign things in their lives. Most importantly, they should have the free…

I have a lot of things to hide from criminals and little to hide from the police. I fear your metaphor is a fallacy...

If people dont want to be naked in public it s because they expect onlookers to abuse of their image to exploit it, there s an argument to say that the police isn't at risk of doing so.

I'm not saying you re wrong in principle, just that your easy fallacy is just that.