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Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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Post by backtoyoujim »

This article reminds me of people that say the eagles could have dropped the ring into Mordor.

The corporate world has spent the better part of a century convincing the populace that when one doesn't work in cubes, "people" like artists, then they aren't really doing their share.

And now, suddenly, the corporate state wants those people to prioritize their value as resources to the corporatocracy.

Much like the eagles from LOTR, some people don't have any interest of your company, or IPO, or your disruption no matter how "valuable" they could be to some corporate bottom line.

Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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Post by BigBubbleButt »

jedimastert wrote: post #20
minxomat wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an incorrect use. Imposter syndrome is called _imposter_ syndrome for a reason.

Imposter syndrome can keep you from advancing your career because you think you shouldn't have a career in the first place and if you try to move up you'll finally be found out.

That just sounds like a lack of confidence. If you aren't an imposter, why would you call it imposter syndrome?

Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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Post by sfotm »

coldtea wrote: post #27
minxomat wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an incorrect use. Imposter syndrome is called _imposter_ syndrome for a reason.

Language is based on use. Popular use is never incorrect. Dictionaries don't dictate language, they try to follow it.

I hear this argument pretty frequently, but it comes off as more of an excuse.

Most people aren't thumping the dictionary like a fundamentalist might a Bible, they're just pointing out that they have a different understanding of the word than another person does. Language is useful when everyone's on the same page.

And especially regarding words drifting toward hyperbole, exaggeration, and sometimes simple misuse, sometimes it makes sense to resist the change. Compare this to cultural drift as a whole - sometimes, it drifts away for the worse and people calling it out as such aren't necessarily being obtuse just for the fun of it.

Sincerely, a person that refuses to let to of the whole "literally" thing. I'm great at parties.

Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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Post by zinglersen »

armchairhacker wrote: post #6

I think people underestimate how UI aesthetics actually improve user experience. I remember when I was younger it was a lot easier to be more productive and creative with Pages, Numbers, Keynote than their competitors (this was when they were still skeuomorphic). The pretty UI genuinely motivated and inspired me, to an extent that I actually noticed. I really believe it helped start projects easier and work on them l…

Another example of this is the investment app Robinhood. They make it so easy for beginners to start investing because they have removed all the cutter from their UI and UX - granted some would argue that it's too simple for the user's own good.

Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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Post by hoppyhoppy2 »

BigBubbleButt wrote: post #32
jedimastert wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imposter syndrome can keep you from advancing your career because you think you shouldn't have a career in the first place and if you try to move up you'll finally be found out.

That just sounds like a lack of confidence. If you aren't an imposter, why would you call it imposter syndrome?

>If you aren't an imposter, why would you call it imposter syndrome?

Couldn't you say this about the names of various psychological syndromes? "If you aren't Alice in Wonderland, why would you call it Alice in Wonderland syndrome?"

It's referring to the person's subjective experience, from their (perhaps warped) point of view.

Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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Post by saiojd »

whateveracct wrote: post #29
saiojd wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you on a tech site if you think tech is a waste of time?

I like technology but dislike tech. Plenty of good technical discussions on here. I'm in tech because they pay me big bucks to basically do nothing, and as I rise the ranks, I can do even less and get paid more. Can't pass on a gravy train.

Just curious, do you mean that you dislike what the big corpos happen to be doing, or do you mean "I dislike it all, I just happen to like learning the stuff + it pays". (I'm not sure I see the difference between "technology" and "tech")

Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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Post by pb7 »

whateveracct wrote: post #30
pb7 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tech pays a lot because there's a lot of money in tech. Most people in tech are underpaid relative to the value generated, in part because a lot of people enjoy working in tech.

Most tech jobs pretty much demand your entire life's focus. Partially due to the mental demands, partially due to office culture. Luckily with remote work, it's becoming easier to do 10-20hrs for the same pay 40-60 (accounting for commute and other incidental costs) used to get. So I can finally use my technical skills to benefit myself way more than what I'm selling to my employer for the first time in many years. I…

>it's becoming easier to do 10-20hrs for the same pay 40-60

For what it's worth, I did exactly this for years even in the office. But I agree, remote makes this way easier for everyone.

Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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Post by zinglersen »

honie wrote: post #14

I'm not sure what it is, but something about the colour palette used in the examples shown feels a bit off to my untrained eyes. Is there actually a job market for pure UI designers? I often see UI as only a small part of job description that involves other non-art-related technical skills. It feels like the market is already saturated with people who can do UI design and a lot more (or the other way around for that…

There's definitely a market for UI designers (as well as visual designers).

"UI designer" as a job title basically means you as a designer have clear area of responsibility; the user interface. You find these role in larger companies because when you reach a certain scale you need to build design systems, digital and/or print style guides, asset frameworks, micro animations, etc.

Startups typically hire hybrid designers with a mix of UI and UX skills. In Scandinavia these roles are often called "UI/UX designers" and in US, where the design culture is more mature, it's sometimes called a "Product designer" and has a different set of responsibilities.

So the short answer is 'yes' but it depends on a lot of things like the size, maturity, and design org. within the company.

Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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Post by renewiltord »

coldtea wrote: post #27
minxomat wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an incorrect use. Imposter syndrome is called _imposter_ syndrome for a reason.

Language is based on use. Popular use is never incorrect. Dictionaries don't dictate language, they try to follow it.

Reasonable, but if you have conclusions that refer to meaning A and meaning B is now dominant, your conclusions may be false.

For instance, let's say "begging the question" is a logical fallacy and we're in the universe where it refers to the circular argument fallacy. Fallacious arguments are bad and so we can dismiss an argument that relies on this.

Now, let's say over time "begging the question" means "the question begs asking". If we still act as if "that begs the question" means "that is a fallacious argument" then the shift in meaning has made us reach incorrect conclusions.

That is, if meaning shifts, you must bust your cache on conclusions that follow out from the original meaning.

Re: Artists, shrug off that imposter syndrome – the tech world needs you

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Post by pdog »

backtoyoujim wrote: post #31

This article reminds me of people that say the eagles could have dropped the ring into Mordor. The corporate world has spent the better part of a century convincing the populace that when one doesn't work in cubes, "people" like artists, then they aren't really doing their share. And now, suddenly, the corporate state wants those people to prioritize their value as resources to the corporatocracy. Much like the eagle…

My doctoral thesis was on precisely the question of what role the Great Eagles could have played before and during the War of the Ring to deliver the One Ring to Mordor. It's not simple enough to say they were great beings who would have been corrupted by the ring, or they were not interested in the power of the ring, or even that the story would have ended in ten minutes and therefore they couldn't do it. There is a lot of research and discussion[1][2][3][4][5][6] of this open question.

[1]: http://www.sean-crist.com/personal/pages/eagles/index.html

[2]: https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Great_Eagles

[3]: https://www.polygon.com/lord-of-the-rings/22432394/eagles-lo...

[4]: https://www.reddit.com/r/FanTheories/comments/6nysuy/lotr_cl...

[5]: https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/2333/why-didnt-gan...

[6]: https://www.quora.com/Why-didnt-the-Eagles-fly-the-Ringbeare...

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