aren't retweets and/or likes kinda the same as upvotes?
Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons
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> It is great as a poor man's analytics system, providing knowledge that at least someone read your comment, allowing you to evaluate if it is worth posting more or if your efforts are disappearing into the void. However, having both up and down seems redundant. The both provide the exact same information. I disagree. If a comment has 100 likes and 100 dislikes that clearly is different than a comment that has 200 li…
> I disagree. If a comment has 100 likes and 100 dislikes that clearly is different than a comment that has 200 likes or 200 dislikes. There is no information provided by the button click other than that the button was clicked. Which button the user decides to choose may as well be considered arbitrary because onlookers have no way of ever determining the true intent unless the button presser also comments with their…
I think only a troll commenter would find receiving dislikes to be a rewarding experience.
Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons
#33aren't retweets and/or likes kinda the same as upvotes?
a downvote cancels out somebody else's upvote. its like being able to remove "hearts" from a post. i don't like it at all. it trains people to be even more hyper-sensitive to judgement.
also encourages tyranny of the 99 over the 1. Extinguishes any eccentric ideas.
Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons
#34I think up and down voting are great, however what is dumb is that neither has a cost. If you think of karma as an economy, taking an action should have a cost. Of course this leads to the question: if voting has a cost, then how do people accumulate irrespective of themselves receiving a vote? You could give everyone say, a fixed number of karma to begin with that could then be allocated. You can then give people mo…
Quora used to have a cool "credits" system where you got credits for creating popular content and then you could use those credits to boost other content. So if there was an answer you liked you could spend your credits to expose that answer to more people. It was fun if a bit pointless.
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Reddit is alive and well. If Reddit is a failure, I want such failures.
It's alive and well as far as numbers and users and time spent. I think it can be considered a failure in other ways. Is it creating healthy online communities, things like that. Are good things coming out of it, or is it effecting the real world in a negative way.
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Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons
#36I personally don't like this. Hackernews and slashdot do good jobs of moderation by making you have to be a participant that's contributed with well thought out comments. Reddit fails because the "upvotes/downvote machine" is just an opinion meter. Also the gaming of it is not good either so it's a matter of time before Twitter publicly displays your stats as you tweet. It's another slippery slope for them to show ig…
> Hackernews and slashdot do good jobs of moderation by making you have to be a participant that's contributed with well thought out comments. You should see how much karma some people have when they finally get banned and reconsider your evaluation of that method's effectiveness. It's not difficult to grind 500 karma here, it's not a signal of anything but time spent.
I imagine it still represents an added cost, which works towards suppressing or adding difficulty towards facilitating comment / post manipulation as GP alludes to.
Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons
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Every single upvote/downvote mechanism on the internet (including on HN) is an opinion meter, regardless of what rules/etiquette the site tries to push. And I'm pretty sure that's what Twitter wants, because it means that all the safe, popular replies to a Tweet will automatically bubble up on top and they won't have to deal with the controversial ones because the community will take care of them.
Kind of but not really. reddit has a lot of minority communities that just get mass downvoted too since downvoting costs nothing and other people organize to just mass nuke everything for things like women/trans/whatever focused subreddits that they dont like. HN is kind of different in that downvoting as at least gated behind _something_, you cant just spin up an account and immediately downvote everything.
As far as I'm informed, Reddit shadowbans downvotes from new accounts and accounts with low karma. You can downvote and the GUI will tell you that downvoted but the karma system will just ignore it.
Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons
#38I think up and down voting are great, however what is dumb is that neither has a cost. If you think of karma as an economy, taking an action should have a cost. Of course this leads to the question: if voting has a cost, then how do people accumulate irrespective of themselves receiving a vote? You could give everyone say, a fixed number of karma to begin with that could then be allocated. You can then give people mo…
The source of karma is the attention people pay. That's why it's referred to as the attention economy.
Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons
#39I think up and down voting are great, however what is dumb is that neither has a cost. If you think of karma as an economy, taking an action should have a cost. Of course this leads to the question: if voting has a cost, then how do people accumulate irrespective of themselves receiving a vote? You could give everyone say, a fixed number of karma to begin with that could then be allocated. You can then give people mo…
I like your ideas that voting should have a cost. I think though that your last paragraph (staking much of your karma) would inevitably lead to a karma market and marketers abusing the feature.
Then I guess the only thing we can do is create a Karma Exchange Commission to regulate karma transactions. Obviously we must provide karma wages to those working for the Commission, so we’ll also need to collect a karma tax for funding purposes.
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I really do think innovative in social media spaces in lacking, probably because the established players have no real reason to change things up aside from stealing newcomers's ideas but it would to cool to see if any research could be done on stuff like seeing how different features (or lack of) lead to different communities and cultures on a site
Matrix and the power of decentralized federated social networks will allow this soon.
Yes it will! https://github.com/KombuchaPrivacy/circles-ios