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Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90

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Re: Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90

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Hmmm... would it be possible to write an ftp client in browser JS? I think probably not.

I don’t program web sites or web browsers, but with wasm or web sockets can’t you make a web page that opens a connection and sends arbitrary binary data to another server without any http?

No. WebSockets are a specific protocol tunneled over HTTP, not raw sockets, and WASM doesn't expose any functionality which wasn't already available to JS.

Re: Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90

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but why? maintaining features is cost

Perhaps one day we can have a programming language that allows us to write software that doesn't rot or corrode.

You can continue to use most command-line FTP programs without problem. Since the terminal is a fairly stable interface, programs written long ago often have no problem compiling and running on modern systems, or only require small changes.

Re: Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90

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I don’t program web sites or web browsers, but with wasm or web sockets can’t you make a web page that opens a connection and sends arbitrary binary data to another server without any http?

> but with wasm or web sockets can’t you make a web page that opens a connection and sends arbitrary binary data to another server without any http? I can't speak to WASM, but websockets are literally just a layer over HTTP in some regards -- a websocket connection is initiated by sending an HTTP request with the Upgrade header.

You watch, eventually everything be a layer over HTTPS[0], and 443 will be the only port. RIP Internet.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_over_HTTPS

Re: Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90

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This is frustrating. FTP is really handy for distributing some files and there are lots of servers in place that now Firefox users can’t access. One can argue that servers should upgrade, and that’s valid. But they don’t and they likely won’t do this just harms Firefox’s user base and is one more reason I no longer recommend Firefox. They just don’t seem user friendly as they once were. I would expect Mozilla to advo…

I'm a Firefox user, and Firefox doesn't support torrents. Yet, I can access torrents. Because of course you can have dedicated protocol handlers that do the job better than the download manager baked into the browser.

Sure, there might be a user that doesn't know how to get a good FTP tool. But how many FTP servers are they accessing? Probably not enough of those to justify the maintenance effort.

Re: Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90

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I don't understand all the negativity around this. People complained when Firefox added Pocket, in part because they took a browser extension and made it a feature that was ostensibly unrelated to web browsing. Now they're taking an old feature that's definitely not related to web browsing and removing it, and people are still complaining?

Firefox can't be everything. It should focus on being a great browser and not a great browser and also great FTP client, or a great browser and also a great feed reader, or a great browser and also a great mail client. People using FTP can use a dedicated client, of which there are plenty on every platform, and people who don't use FTP (i.e. the vast, vast majority of web browser users) won't even notice.

A modern web browser is probably some of the most complex software humanity has invented yet, besides a full-scale OS. Taking a maintenance burden that's unrelated to the core browser product of a struggling NFP should be welcomed with a sigh of relief.

Re: Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90

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>If you are a Firefox user, you don’t have to do anything to benefit from this security advancement. The epitome of corporate speak: "we're taking away a feature of this software. You're welcome." I expect that kind of talk from Google; hearing it from Mozilla makes me a little sad.

Firefox removing support for non-encrypted data protocols makes me more confident in them, so consider me a fan of this messaging.

So good luck configuring your firewall or NAS that don't have a valid certificate.

Re: Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90

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post #29

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but why? maintaining features is cost

Perhaps one day we can have a programming language that allows us to write software that doesn't rot or corrode.

We can start by writing software that doesn't have any features at all, and save ourselves the trouble of removing them later. /s

Re: Stopping FTP support in Firefox 90

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While I agree with removing FTP support, I also agree that phrasing is pretty disgusting.

Describing ads ("sponsored tiles") as "user-enhancing" is arguably worse. https://twitter.com/dherman76/status/433320156496789504

7 years, wow. Is that the oldest example of Mozilla selling out?
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