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Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by ipaddr »

seattle_spring wrote: post #26
650REDHAIR wrote: post #20

So our kids are getting older so I've been paying more attention to popular social networks and it's wild how many YouTubers, Twitch'ers, TikTok'ers, Instagram'ers have OF content directly linked from their non-porn bios. I don't like it, but I'm not sure what a good solution is. I mean, people are free to do what they'd like, but it's hard to police screen time 100% of the time and their peer group has a lot more ac…

Related, it sucks that so much content nowadays is just a thinly veiled advertisement for OF pages.

This is a result of youtube's policies. You can't run ads because your content is unacceptable but keep uploading videos, build your following and push fans to someone they can make money.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

#32

Post by fragmede »

chii wrote: post #17
jazzyjackson wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not OP, but IMO onlyfans is especially predatory because it makes it look easy to trade nudes for large amounts of cash. In reality very few people are going to be making above minimum wage, onlyfans is just like the rest of social media - a lottery that pays millions to a few winners and asks all the other participants to create content for next-to-nothing just to enter the lotto.

> onlyfans is especially predatory if this is what you call predatory, then why isn't sports stars and film/music celebrity culture not predatory in the same way? I don't see the difference. I say let people do what they want, as long as they understand what they're doing and is informed of the (potential) consequences.

Who's saying it isn't? Between Britney Spears' conservatorship, and the sexual abuse contract dispute between Ke$ha and Sony, (among many, many others) it's hard not to see the music industry as predatory towards pretty girls. I'm sure others familiar with sports and film can give examples from other industries.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by throwmeawaydddy »

Fire up the throwaway!

Not 100% related to the article, but directly related.

I worked as developer for a product in the same niche ("democratizing adult content"). I spent almost 2 years working on the frontend, devops, and building out the analytics engine (all pre-covid).

Anyway, on to the comment at hand.

We had a small number of users compared to OnlyFans (when I left, there were about 20K active content creators). The average monthly payment was $5000 (skewed massively by the top 5%).

We had phone support for our larger creator. One very common request was to instantly delete all data and stop processing future orders. Usually, the requester was in a pretty agitated/distraught state (I'd occasionally get escalated calls to "confirm" that all data would be deleted ASAP and no copies would be kept).

I spoke to a few of our creators and most would be desperate to scrub all of their content form the internet because:

a) A parent/relative found out.

b) A fellow employee at their 9-5 stumbled on their account.

c) A 'fan' went nuclear and was waging all out digital war. One creator had a former subscriber sending data dumps to all their Facebook and Instagram friends (they also spammed every public email address at their 'normal' workplace, which was a local government).

We would occasionally get demanding letters requesting the removal of content from third party sites (Pornhub, Reddit, etc). The creators would somehow be surprised when they realised we couldn't remove content from other websites.

The experience was very depressing.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by pcthrowaway »

ryandrake wrote: post #28
650REDHAIR wrote: post #20

So our kids are getting older so I've been paying more attention to popular social networks and it's wild how many YouTubers, Twitch'ers, TikTok'ers, Instagram'ers have OF content directly linked from their non-porn bios. I don't like it, but I'm not sure what a good solution is. I mean, people are free to do what they'd like, but it's hard to police screen time 100% of the time and their peer group has a lot more ac…

I don't know--as I get older, and see things like this, I can't help but think maybe I'm just turning into an out-of-touch old fart. Maybe norms are simply changing and the next generations are building a better world free of all these stupid taboos and hangups. My ol' grandpa looked at my generation and just didn't understand how we were OK with things like interracial marriage, same sex relationships, drug legaliza…

> how we were OK with things like interracial marriage, same sex relationships, drug prohibition, etc

Curious if you meant drug legalization here... or is this in reference to studies about younger generations using fewer recreational drugs than children of the 60s?

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

#35

Post by jazzyjackson »

vmception wrote: post #22
jazzyjackson wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not OP, but IMO onlyfans is especially predatory because it makes it look easy to trade nudes for large amounts of cash. In reality very few people are going to be making above minimum wage, onlyfans is just like the rest of social media - a lottery that pays millions to a few winners and asks all the other participants to create content for next-to-nothing just to enter the lotto.

How does that make it predatory, is there an upfront fee or debt? Or is it just the nude content being posted that makes it predatory from your view? It was not clear to me.

Maybe predatory was too specific, I agree it fits better when someone is on-the-hook for debt.

My thinking is just that it’s enticing people into this line of work, like a bait and switch, you thought you would be getting a steady monthly income but instead you get a few bucks a week and entitled creeps sending you death threats.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by seattle_spring »

ipaddr wrote: post #31
seattle_spring wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Related, it sucks that so much content nowadays is just a thinly veiled advertisement for OF pages.

This is a result of youtube's policies. You can't run ads because your content is unacceptable but keep uploading videos, build your following and push fans to someone they can make money.

Not just YouTube, but much of Reddit too. I'd hazard to say 50% of all /r/roastme posts are OnlyFans ads, for example.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by nostromo »

labster wrote: post #30
chii wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> onlyfans is especially predatory if this is what you call predatory, then why isn't sports stars and film/music celebrity culture not predatory in the same way? I don't see the difference. I say let people do what they want, as long as they understand what they're doing and is informed of the (potential) consequences.

Sports is predatory, see the NCAA monopoly. Music was well known in the last century for predatory contracts. People like Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey from the film industry are often called predators, and the casting couch is legendary. Celebrity culture is highly predatory with obsessive fans and stalker paparazzi. You’re right, no real difference.

People are free to do something else if their dream job doesn’t pay them a wage they feel is fair.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by gnull »

ryandrake wrote: post #28
650REDHAIR wrote: post #20

So our kids are getting older so I've been paying more attention to popular social networks and it's wild how many YouTubers, Twitch'ers, TikTok'ers, Instagram'ers have OF content directly linked from their non-porn bios. I don't like it, but I'm not sure what a good solution is. I mean, people are free to do what they'd like, but it's hard to police screen time 100% of the time and their peer group has a lot more ac…

I don't know--as I get older, and see things like this, I can't help but think maybe I'm just turning into an out-of-touch old fart. Maybe norms are simply changing and the next generations are building a better world free of all these stupid taboos and hangups. My ol' grandpa looked at my generation and just didn't understand how we were OK with things like interracial marriage, same sex relationships, drug legaliza…

This argument applies to any change. Trivially, not all the changes must be accepted, therefore the argument is flawed.

UPD: rafale is right, I misunderstood the parent. It's not about any change, it's about allowing more freedoms.

Re: Under the skin of OnlyFans

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Post by ryandrake »

pcthrowaway wrote: post #34
ryandrake wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know--as I get older, and see things like this, I can't help but think maybe I'm just turning into an out-of-touch old fart. Maybe norms are simply changing and the next generations are building a better world free of all these stupid taboos and hangups. My ol' grandpa looked at my generation and just didn't understand how we were OK with things like interracial marriage, same sex relationships, drug legaliza…

> how we were OK with things like interracial marriage, same sex relationships, drug prohibition, etc Curious if you meant drug legalization here... or is this in reference to studies about younger generations using fewer recreational drugs than children of the 60s?

Thanks! Corrected
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