It wasnt over Bizarre Anti-Anti-Semitic Rant.
It was over publicly confirming Google hires and tolerates Anti-Semites.
Google Fires VP over Bizarre Anti-Anti-Semitic Rant
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#32How disappointing. It seems the post was about his journey from indoctrinated hatred to coming go see that we are all the same... and Google's response is "you used to have views we don't approve of so you're fired". It doesn't matter that he uses that past as a way to show that there is hope to get past the deep hatred between many groups in the middle east. It is sad how little grace (and perhaps reading comprehens…
Google is upset about him telegraphing to the world his previous views were actually approved during hiring process, and tolerated all the way to the moment of firing.
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#33If you are a VP associated with a company with a well-known brand, first and foremost, don't do anything that could hurt the brand. I suspect a world where someone makes posts like his (despite it displaying flaws) has less anti-Semitism than one without, because those very flaws are trail markers that show a real path to others who are at earlier stages in the trail. But those same flaws to our tweet-sized attention span seem to have to imprimatur of Google, and that's why he had to go.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
2: the word ‘antisemite’ was popularised by German trade unionist and pamphleteer Wilhelm Marr who wanted to have a fancier, and thus more acceptable, scientific name for Judenhass (‘Jew hate’). The word has only ever been used to refer to anti-Jewish racism. The word ‘Semite’ is a product of the abhorrent ‘race science’ of the time in Europe that purported to divide up peoples according to pseudo-scientific fashion…
> The word ‘Semite’ is a product of the abhorrent ‘race science’ of the time in Europe that purported to divide up peoples according to pseudo-scientific fashion of the time. Nope. The word Semite was coined in 1771 by August Ludwig von Schlözer to refer to a family of languages and their people. https://muse.jhu.edu/article/18229/summary
I think a lot of linguistic terms were stolen and repurposed as a way to lend credence and legitimacy to racist ideology. The same is true of the term “Aryan” which originally referred to people who spoke Indo-European languages:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race
From the wikipedia article, the gentleman who first used the term “Aryan race” (in the context of language, not ethnicity) later said:
> These two sciences, the Science of Language and the Science of Man, cannot, at least for the present, be kept too much asunder; [...] I must repeat, what I have said many times before, it would be as wrong to speak of Aryan blood as of dolichocephalic grammar.
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#35The people with the 'I was bad but now good' stories often are pretty lacking in self awareness it seems and the story ultimately doesn't make them look good.
Despite possibly not realizing he'd get fired for it just out of making people very uncomfortable ... it's interesting to note that these stories are often not quite as redeeming as the author's might think they are.
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#361. I think posting something like that on LinkedIn is wildly inappropriate. I know it has dreams of being the next Facebook. I wish they’d stick to their lane and keep on being the professional social network everyone hates to use except when they’re job hunting. 2. Part of his statement rings true. Like how can you be anti-Semitic when you are also a Semite. 3. The west should really pay attention. The same propagan…
You will never avoid #4 unfortunately. It's just part of the entire cancel culture culture now to ascribe institutional power to people and individuals, even those who get lipservice at best. See corporations on social media putting pride flag overlays on their logos while their CS reps argue with outraged reactionaries about how they don't actually mean anything by it in the one post where they talk about some abstract need for disversity.
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#37How disappointing. It seems the post was about his journey from indoctrinated hatred to coming go see that we are all the same... and Google's response is "you used to have views we don't approve of so you're fired". It doesn't matter that he uses that past as a way to show that there is hope to get past the deep hatred between many groups in the middle east. It is sad how little grace (and perhaps reading comprehens…
1) A redemption story can still be excruciatingly uncomfortable and enough to make it impossible for an executive to do their jobs.
2) I suggest 'reading comprehension' may help us find that in many cases these stories are not as redemptive as the author may think.
If there story were two paragraphs, and he 'saw the light' by the end of Uni or something.
If you're going to do this kind of writing publicly as an executive, you literally need to have some kind of PR person help you do it, so that you can frame it in the right way. Most people don't have a very good instinct for how things will be received.
And unfortunately many people will misinterpret it, and so there's always a lot of risk in it, it's a hard story to tell. But it probably can be done carefully.
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#38How disappointing. It seems the post was about his journey from indoctrinated hatred to coming go see that we are all the same... and Google's response is "you used to have views we don't approve of so you're fired". It doesn't matter that he uses that past as a way to show that there is hope to get past the deep hatred between many groups in the middle east. It is sad how little grace (and perhaps reading comprehens…
well, it sounds like "I used to hate X people, but after meeting some many wonderful X people I realized I was wrong".
This can be interpreted as "not all X people are bad" which is just another form of anti-X sentiment. And indicator of bad judgment in the first place, a disqualifier for someone whos job title is developer advocate. Replace Jews with black people in his speech and imagine the reactions.
I do appreciate his "coming out" as former antisemite though, it seems sincere and very rare in the current anti-Israel culture with the American liberals, where they legitimize people who literally want to throw Jews to the sea.
Edit: for those saying 'don't conflate Israel with Jews' , read about Hamas and Islamic Jihad, those 'freedom fighters' you defend and see how they envision solving the Jews problem.
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#39Why is it that Google seems to always have these sorts of very public employee issues and controversies? I’ve got a pretty good idea, their work culture is one of the most toxic in respect to diversity of thought and freedom of expression. This echo chamber culture comes all the way from the top. Don’t get me wrong, I am in no way advocating that employees should be allowed to post or disseminate any sort of hate spe…
I honestly think Google is pretty open to any sort of discussion at work (including political), the cases where it boils over are just the extremes (or very contentious, see Damore) outcrops of allowing this in the first place.
goto/distraction[1] alone would be over the line in some of the places I've worked
[1]: https://www.slideshare.net/paulsmarsden/google-deck-on-digit...
Re: Google Fires VP over Bizarre Anti-Anti-Semitic Rant
#40How disappointing. It seems the post was about his journey from indoctrinated hatred to coming go see that we are all the same... and Google's response is "you used to have views we don't approve of so you're fired". It doesn't matter that he uses that past as a way to show that there is hope to get past the deep hatred between many groups in the middle east. It is sad how little grace (and perhaps reading comprehens…
well, it sounds like "I used to hate X people, but after meeting some many wonderful X people I realized I was wrong". This can be interpreted as "not all X people are bad" which is just another form of anti-X sentiment. And indicator of bad judgment in the first place, a disqualifier for someone whos job title is developer advocate. Replace Jews with black people in his speech and imagine the reactions. I do appreci…
Stop conflating anti Israel sentiment with antisemitism. People can hate Zionism and what the Israeli government and the IDF are doing to the Palestinians without hating Jewish people as a whole.