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FAA warns Musk that he is building Super Heavy launch tower without permission

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Re: FAA warns Musk that he is building Super Heavy launch tower without permission

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“Fine, I’ll take my knowledge and business to China” “Okay, okay we’re sorry, Mr. Musk”

Would probably just declare himself his own country. Just needs his own currency (wait, didn't he do that already?), own military (it's handy to own a fleet of ICBMs with better guidance systems than anything the U.S. has), and own energy infrastructure.

Not currency, military and energy country constitute. People do.

Re: FAA warns Musk that he is building Super Heavy launch tower without permission

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“Fine, I’ll take my knowledge and business to China” “Okay, okay we’re sorry, Mr. Musk”

Rockets are considered munitions under ITAR. Following through on that threat would result in serious jail time.

Yeah, they're missiles. It's not even a particularly close call as export control regulations go.

Re: FAA warns Musk that he is building Super Heavy launch tower without permission

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“Fine, I’ll take my knowledge and business to China” “Okay, okay we’re sorry, Mr. Musk”

LOL, pretty sure Musk is more scared of the Chinese government than the US government.

I've never seen Tesla/Musk apologize for anything, except when it comes to China. If Musk wants to be able to open his mouth with his opinions he'd be better to stay in the US.

"Tesla Inc (TSLA.O) came under increased pressure in China on Wednesday from regulators and state media after Monday's protest by a disgruntled customer at the Shanghai auto show went viral and forced the electric car maker into a rare apology."

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/china-...

And lets not forget when he was accused by the Chinese government on having his vehicles spy in China and how he had to grovel to not get shutdown.

Re: FAA warns Musk that he is building Super Heavy launch tower without permission

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> FAA Administrator Steve Dickson spoke with Musk on March 12 for 30 minutes to stress "the FAA’s role in protecting public safety by ensuring regulatory compliance.... If there are legit concerns that the FAA needs to be involved in, that's fine. But the fact that Dickson is personally involved is a sign he might be the kind of person that likes to flex on people. There's almost certainly no good reason for him to b…

I've actually dealt with the FAA on a rocket launch. They're an INCREDIBLY bureaucratic agency. We were inside a continually restricted airspace volume (R-xxxx) as well as a TFR that was miles wide, but at the last minute we were restricted from flying a remotely controlled aircraft released at an apogee of around 2000ft AGL. We'd already received prior approval but then someone at the regional office decided they wanted to flex on the other agency we were working with. There were absolutely no safety concerns, real, procedural, or imagined. It was just someone settling a score with someone else.

Re: FAA warns Musk that he is building Super Heavy launch tower without permission

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Seems like much ado about nothing unless SpaceX is outright lying: > SpaceX told the FAA in May that it did not believe the review was necessary because it only intends to use the "integration tower for production, research, and development purposes and not for FAA-licensed or -permitted launches," the FAA said. Does the FAA have jurisdiction over this tower if they're not actually using it for launches?

The issue is the tower is intended to be as high as 480ft. This is significant as that means it will end up being listed on charts and factored into any nearby instrument approach procedures.

All that said, this is a case where the FAA probably shouldn't be dragging their heels. It's trivial (single digit minutes) to figure out what this impacts and shouldn't be more than a day to come to a conclusion and generate a report on necessary approach, chart, and notam updates among others. Unfortunately this isn't how these agencies operate.

EDIT: The FAA reviewed the site multiple times, including earlier this year and found no impact on aviation navigation so unclear what they're potentially upset about. The area is rather sparse and the closest airport is a small untowered field 15 miles away.

Re: FAA warns Musk that he is building Super Heavy launch tower without permission

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The FAA, more than any technical reason, explains why SpaceX bought two oil rigs to perform oceanic launches.

Launches from international waters from a US firm will still need FAA approval

It is easy for SpaceX to create a shell company that circumvents this.

Re: FAA warns Musk that he is building Super Heavy launch tower without permission

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

SpaceX biggest customer is the US government. You really think the US gov will ship satellites to China for launches?

This. Spacex, while private and agile company, exists purely because of USA government buying their services - that’s majority of their revenue. There’s nothing wrong with that, being government contractor is a huge part of an economy.

>There’s nothing wrong with that

The military industrial complex, crony capitalism, and siphoning tax dollars to billionaires are definitely debatable topics.

Re: FAA warns Musk that he is building Super Heavy launch tower without permission

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The FAA, more than any technical reason, explains why SpaceX bought two oil rigs to perform oceanic launches.

Launches from international waters from a US firm will still need FAA approval

What requires them to get approval from the FAA for something outside the FAA's jurisdiction?
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