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“One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by indigodaddy »

homarp wrote: post #22
indigodaddy wrote: post #20

“ Together with Finnish journalist Johanna Elomaa, I wrote the book "Sukellus Valoon" (Diving into the Light) about my experiences during the rescue mission and how it changed my life” ^ From page 2 of the article. I Googled for this book but wasn’t able to find anywhere to buy it. Supposed to have been published in 2018. Perhaps no English version yet... was anyone able to find the book?

https://www.johannaelomaa.com/books/sukellus-valoon/#mctmp

Ah thanks! It’s unclear whether there is an English version yet. From all indications on that page it appears perhaps not. Also the “Order here” link appears non-functioning (at least on iOS Chrome).

I’d bet an English version will be not too far in the future (I hope!)

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by tpmx »

indigodaddy wrote: post #31
homarp wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.johannaelomaa.com/books/sukellus-valoon/#mctmp

Ah thanks! It’s unclear whether there is an English version yet. From all indications on that page it appears perhaps not. Also the “Order here” link appears non-functioning (at least on iOS Chrome). I’d bet an English version will be not too far in the future (I hope!)

http://kontextagency.com/non-fiction/diving-into-the-light

Looks like there's only a Finnish original issue and a Swedish translation published so far.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by masklinn »

janoc wrote: post #23
dingusthemingus wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea this sounded pretty strange to me, Im aware sedation slows breathing down, so some oxygen can be saved if human attached to tank is not hyperventilating for hours, Pretty crazy the kids were sedated and hands bound and feet tied!

Probably the last thing you would want is an untrained kid to panic during the rescue. They would most likely kill both themselves and their rescuers in the process.

Yes especially during cavediving, it's difficult enough for an experienced diver, and panicking / flailing individuals can drown would-be rescuers in pools.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by thatguy0900 »

dingusthemingus wrote: post #19
mongol wrote: post #13

What effect did the sedation have? Were they still conscious?

Yea this sounded pretty strange to me, Im aware sedation slows breathing down, so some oxygen can be saved if human attached to tank is not hyperventilating for hours, Pretty crazy the kids were sedated and hands bound and feet tied!

The divers said why, they had previously rescued two adults from that cave in a much easier tunnel, but the adults panicked underwater and ripped their masks off. The people you're saving can easily kill you too if they hit your mask.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by LegitShady »

krapp wrote: post #29
paulpauper wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

except that elon did not initiate the exchange of words. Elon proposed his submarine. He was told by the diver Vern Unsworth to 'stick his submarine where it hurts'.

Elon Musk is a grown man, not a child, and he should be capable of tact and self control. "He started it" is not a valid excuse for his public, slanderous little temper tantrum.

capable != required

If he seriously proposes to help and is told to stick it where he hurts, he can choose whether or not to respond with 'tact and self control' but he isn't required to.

The diver is the one without tact and self control, but you slag elon for responding in kind instead of the diver. You expect more from musk but musk owes you nothing - not even tact. He doesn't have to accept abuse from someone else out of fear of losing your good opinion. It literally doesn't matter to him at all.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by dehrmann »

krapp wrote: post #29
paulpauper wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

except that elon did not initiate the exchange of words. Elon proposed his submarine. He was told by the diver Vern Unsworth to 'stick his submarine where it hurts'.

Elon Musk is a grown man, not a child, and he should be capable of tact and self control. "He started it" is not a valid excuse for his public, slanderous little temper tantrum.

Musk actually won the defamation case because--my words--you can't take anything he says seriously.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by kevmo »

dehrmann wrote: post #37
krapp wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon Musk is a grown man, not a child, and he should be capable of tact and self control. "He started it" is not a valid excuse for his public, slanderous little temper tantrum.

Musk actually won the defamation case because--my words--you can't take anything he says seriously.

Musk won the case because he had the most expensive lawyers in the world.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by tokai »

dingusthemingus wrote: post #19
mongol wrote: post #13

What effect did the sedation have? Were they still conscious?

Yea this sounded pretty strange to me, Im aware sedation slows breathing down, so some oxygen can be saved if human attached to tank is not hyperventilating for hours, Pretty crazy the kids were sedated and hands bound and feet tied!

From wikipedia:

«The effect of ketamine on the respiratory and circulatory systems is different from that of other anesthetics. It suppresses breathing much less than most other available anesthetics.[29] When used at anesthetic doses, ketamine usually stimulates rather than depresses the circulatory system.»

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