Google “bought off Samsung” to limit app store competition, 36 states allege • Hacker News Board

Re: Google “bought off Samsung” to limit app store competition, 36 states allege

#31

Post by lotsofpulp » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 1:25 PM UTC

Fnoord wrote: post #22

tyleo wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You lost me at Samsung/Apple/Jeep/Nintendo. I’d definitely put Apple in the top tier of phone and laptop quality. Especially w.r.t laptops, the majority of Windows devices seem comparatively low quality. I’m not sure about their other products but I also don’t see them advertised as much. Similarly with Nintendo, they seem to deliver consistently higher quality than competitors. They may not be as fast but they last…

> I’d definitely put Apple in the top tier of phone and laptop quality. Especially w.r.t laptops, the majority of Windows devices seem comparatively low quality. I’m not sure about their other products but I also don’t see them advertised as much. Every MBP/MBA/MB had design flaws. From butterfly keyboard to discrete GPU, only 1 port (USB-C, for battery), etc. They fixed the keyboard problem finally, but from 2016-20…

I have yet to see a better laptop for 90% of people who want a laptop than a MacBook Air. Battery life, portability, weight, heat production, reliability, adequate performance, price, ports.

They seem to have made all the right compromises.

Re: Google “bought off Samsung” to limit app store competition, 36 states allege

#32

Post by post_break » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 1:32 PM UTC

If true it makes their smart watch joint venture interesting. Did google force samsung to stop using tizen on their smart watches? Pay them a large sum of money to get wearOS back in the game?

Re: Google “bought off Samsung” to limit app store competition, 36 states allege

#33

Post by seized » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 1:42 PM UTC

swiley wrote: post #7

paulgb wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the Firebase shenanigans you refer to? First I’ve heard of it but I’m interested.

I'd imagine it's something like iOS where you don't get battery friendly push notifications without using services from the OS vendor and there's no way for the user to select a 3rd party service instead.

Which is fine for most users. I don't want every app doing its own inefficient push/pull notifications and tanking my battery, and I am as pro open source/etc/etc as most here.

Re: Google “bought off Samsung” to limit app store competition, 36 states allege

#34

Post by ChuckNorris89 » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 1:43 PM UTC

tyingq wrote: post #21

zibzab wrote: post #4

This is such a BS lawsuit. It would be so much better for consumers if they had instead looked into googles firebase and play services shenanigans.

I don't think this suit makes it any less likely that various governments will come after that angle also. There's quite a lot of anti-(Google|Facebook|Amazon) sentiment floating around in various government entities right now. I assume it must resonate with voters.

>I assume it must resonate with voters.

Most voters care more about things like their salary, healthcare, education, retirement and real estate prices, and in general just making ends meet, not which SV megacorp gets to be the defacto tech monopoly.

Re: Google “bought off Samsung” to limit app store competition, 36 states allege

#35

Post by tyingq » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 1:45 PM UTC

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #34

tyingq wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this suit makes it any less likely that various governments will come after that angle also. There's quite a lot of anti-(Google|Facebook|Amazon) sentiment floating around in various government entities right now. I assume it must resonate with voters.

>I assume it must resonate with voters. Most voters care more about things like their salary, healthcare, education, retirement and real estate prices, and in general just making ends meet, not which SV megacorp gets to be the defacto tech monopoly.

Perhaps, though if it's not voters, what is causing the uptick in interest among politicians?

Re: Google “bought off Samsung” to limit app store competition, 36 states allege

#36

Post by OrvalWintermute » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 1:49 PM UTC

lotsofpulp wrote: post #31

Fnoord wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’d definitely put Apple in the top tier of phone and laptop quality. Especially w.r.t laptops, the majority of Windows devices seem comparatively low quality. I’m not sure about their other products but I also don’t see them advertised as much. Every MBP/MBA/MB had design flaws. From butterfly keyboard to discrete GPU, only 1 port (USB-C, for battery), etc. They fixed the keyboard problem finally, but from 2016-20…

I have yet to see a better laptop for 90% of people who want a laptop than a MacBook Air. Battery life, portability, weight, heat production, reliability, adequate performance, price, ports. They seem to have made all the right compromises.

I think you might be neglecting to include people that like high performance dedicated GPUs - (A) scientists, (B) engineers, (C) developers, (D) artists, (E)motion graphics types, (F) gamers.

Professionally speaking, my work is full of A-E, so, an Air is a big nope.

Re: Google “bought off Samsung” to limit app store competition, 36 states allege

#37

Post by ChuckNorris89 » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 1:53 PM UTC

tyingq wrote: post #35

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I assume it must resonate with voters. Most voters care more about things like their salary, healthcare, education, retirement and real estate prices, and in general just making ends meet, not which SV megacorp gets to be the defacto tech monopoly.

Perhaps, though if it's not voters, what is causing the uptick in interest among politicians?

Lobbying from equally wealthy competitors who couldn't become monopolies?

Re: Google “bought off Samsung” to limit app store competition, 36 states allege

#38

Post by tyingq » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 1:54 PM UTC

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #37

tyingq wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps, though if it's not voters, what is causing the uptick in interest among politicians?

Lobbying from equally wealthy competitors who couldn't become monopolies?

Seems odd that lobbying from what would be much smaller entities would somehow overtake lobbying from the giants.

Re: Google “bought off Samsung” to limit app store competition, 36 states allege

#39

Post by rob74 » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 1:57 PM UTC

> [...] which Samsung did in 2018 when it partnered with Epic to launch Fortnite exclusively on the Galaxy Store. [...] Samsung apparently pursued other exclusives with “popular” app developers [...]

So an alternative app store provided by the largest maker of Android phones, which pursues exclusive apps that will then only be available for Samsung phones, is supposed to be good for competition?

Re: Google “bought off Samsung” to limit app store competition, 36 states allege

#40

Post by lotsofpulp » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 2:03 PM UTC

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #36

lotsofpulp wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have yet to see a better laptop for 90% of people who want a laptop than a MacBook Air. Battery life, portability, weight, heat production, reliability, adequate performance, price, ports. They seem to have made all the right compromises.

I think you might be neglecting to include people that like high performance dedicated GPUs - (A) scientists, (B) engineers, (C) developers, (D) artists, (E)motion graphics types, (F) gamers. Professionally speaking, my work is full of A-E, so, an Air is a big nope.

…that’s why I wrote 90% of people. Maybe it’s 80% or 70%, but it certainly is top of the line for the average user.