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Re: Getting a Covid jab is safer than taking aspirin

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Post by gfodor »

th0ma5 wrote: post #20
briefcomment wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You misunderstood. I'm talking about those who have already been infected.

Right. We know that they will have long-term effects that people who were vaccinated and never contracted it won't get is all that I'm saying. We simply don't know about any long-term effects of the vaccine though, so it is unfair to even begin to speculate or compare the two.

You're missing the point. The question being raised is if it is a smart decision to get the vaccine after you know you've already contracted COVID.

Re: Getting a Covid jab is safer than taking aspirin

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Post by briefcomment »

th0ma5 wrote: post #20
briefcomment wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You misunderstood. I'm talking about those who have already been infected.

Right. We know that they will have long-term effects that people who were vaccinated and never contracted it won't get is all that I'm saying. We simply don't know about any long-term effects of the vaccine though, so it is unfair to even begin to speculate or compare the two.

The only point I'm making is that for those who have already had Covid, taking the vaccine is mostly downside, since it won't offer any more protection than they already have from being infected, and it has the potential, however small, for side-effects. I'm saying nothing about comparing vaccine side-effects to Covid effects.

Re: Getting a Covid jab is safer than taking aspirin

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Post by pepperberg »

The author's argument is based on the assumption that taking aspirin results "in around one death per 10,000 people".

The cited study [1] does not say that. Those results are specifically for "a fifty-year-old male" (see p. 638), not the general population.

Additionally, the results are from an "aspirin therapy simulation", not real world data [2]. How the researchers ended up with their model parameters, is unknown.

Did the author even read the studies?

[1] https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/abs/10.1377/hlthaff.26.3.6...

[2] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15590881/

Re: Getting a Covid jab is safer than taking aspirin

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Post by th0ma5 »

briefcomment wrote: post #32
th0ma5 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right. We know that they will have long-term effects that people who were vaccinated and never contracted it won't get is all that I'm saying. We simply don't know about any long-term effects of the vaccine though, so it is unfair to even begin to speculate or compare the two.

The only point I'm making is that for those who have already had Covid, taking the vaccine is mostly downside, since it won't offer any more protection than they already have from being infected, and it has the potential, however small, for side-effects. I'm saying nothing about comparing vaccine side-effects to Covid effects.

There is some evidence that the vaccine helps with the long-term side effects of the disease.

Re: Getting a Covid jab is safer than taking aspirin

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Post by gfodor »

th0ma5 wrote: post #29
gfodor wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be curious in any good research on this subject since it may affect my own decision making. Note: not dumb articles like the one this post is about but published papers.

Yes yes the /r/COVID19 catalogs preprint articles as they appear with some discussion, and while that isn't of course peer-reviewed it's still something to monitor.

OK so it sounds like what I asked for doesn't exist. Sorry, but "I heard" doesn't count for me, since it conflicts with other things I have "heard", being networked with physicians.

Re: Getting a Covid jab is safer than taking aspirin

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Post by th0ma5 »

gfodor wrote: post #31
th0ma5 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right. We know that they will have long-term effects that people who were vaccinated and never contracted it won't get is all that I'm saying. We simply don't know about any long-term effects of the vaccine though, so it is unfair to even begin to speculate or compare the two.

You're missing the point. The question being raised is if it is a smart decision to get the vaccine after you know you've already contracted COVID.

There is some evidence that contracting the disease does not necessarily mean immunity. Additionally as I mentioned in another reply there is some evidence that the vaccine can help with long-term conditions of the disease.

Re: Getting a Covid jab is safer than taking aspirin

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Post by gfodor »

th0ma5 wrote: post #36
gfodor wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're missing the point. The question being raised is if it is a smart decision to get the vaccine after you know you've already contracted COVID.

There is some evidence that contracting the disease does not necessarily mean immunity. Additionally as I mentioned in another reply there is some evidence that the vaccine can help with long-term conditions of the disease.

You'll need to cite that evidence in a way that stands up to the idea that it clearly acts as a counterargument to the idea of there being a need for caution about getting the vax at that stage. Given the severity of known immediate side effects upon getting it for people who already had COVID, that alone is a reason to want to know it is gaining you anything.

Re: Getting a Covid jab is safer than taking aspirin

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Post by th0ma5 »

gfodor wrote: post #35
th0ma5 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes yes the /r/COVID19 catalogs preprint articles as they appear with some discussion, and while that isn't of course peer-reviewed it's still something to monitor.

OK so it sounds like what I asked for doesn't exist. Sorry, but "I heard" doesn't count for me, since it conflicts with other things I have "heard", being networked with physicians.

You said you're looking for papers? I mean I mentioned that subreddit is the source of What I'm talking about, What is this paper that you speak of?

Re: Getting a Covid jab is safer than taking aspirin

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Post by th0ma5 »

adventured wrote: post #30
th0ma5 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that your immune system will overreact to the virus is probably the main reason to be vaccinated.

> The fact that your immune system will overreact to the virus It's not a fact, first of all. Second, the vast majority do not suffer that reaction or anything remotely close to it. For the majority Covid is equivalent to getting a mild cold, or less. Now that's actually a fact, derived from the rather enormous trove of data we have on outcomes at this point.

Cytokine storm is one of the major contributors to death from the disease. From my reading then is pretty much the definition of your immune system overreacting and starting to destroy your body.

The immune system generally walks a line between being absolutely worthless and killing you.

Edit: Oh I see my use of the word will is leading you astray. "Will" as in that your immune system will be overreacting if you are a case that results in death.

Re: Getting a Covid jab is safer than taking aspirin

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Post by briefcomment »

th0ma5 wrote: post #34
briefcomment wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only point I'm making is that for those who have already had Covid, taking the vaccine is mostly downside, since it won't offer any more protection than they already have from being infected, and it has the potential, however small, for side-effects. I'm saying nothing about comparing vaccine side-effects to Covid effects.

There is some evidence that the vaccine helps with the long-term side effects of the disease.

And there is evidence that the vaccine has no benefit on those infected [1]. Either way, this is clearly an open question, and avoiding the vaccine if you have been previously infected is, at minimum, a reasonable stance.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27453721

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