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The Next Car You Buy Should Be Electric

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Re: The Next Car You Buy Should Be Electric

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Still doesn't work for my use case. I commute on public transport, live in an apartment with only on-street parking, there is limited on-street charging but it's massively oversubscribed. Mostly I drive longer distances for hiking trips, weekends away music festivals, visiting family etc. Very few of these destinations have charging options. I've seen how this can work, I drove an electric Hyundai Ionic as a hire car…

It almost almost starts to work with latest models. I just got Kona 64KWh version last week and my math was among the lines of: it can do 400km/250miles of realistic driving, I do need a 20-40 min break after 400-500km anyway, that is enough to charge it up on fast charger to continue my trip. Kona is not ideal because it needs 40-50 min to charge, but Tesla Model 3, VW id.3/id.4 and others can do 125kwh+ charge rates so can charge in So math of getting to destination starts to work, then you get to destination charging and that is more tricky. The car wants 16KWh per 100km, and charging from power socket you can realistically pull 1.6-2KWh, so overnight you can expect to be able to charge 100km of range without much of infrastructure (without level 2 chargers I mean).

So my conclusion is that it's not plug-and-play just yet, but it nearly works, and benefits of electrics starts to outweigh the disadvantage of looking for a power socket.

Re: The Next Car You Buy Should Be Electric

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Whether your next car should be an electric really depends on when you think you'll need a new car.

If you need a new car right now, it's still cheaper and probably more practical to buy a petrol car.

If you do not need a new car right now, I think trying to keep your current car for another 5+ years then buying an EV may make sense (probably including for the environment).

EV are taking off but it seems to me that they are still mostly bought by people with higher-than-average income and/or who are engaged on this issue.

Re: The Next Car You Buy Should Be Electric

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It's all well and good but (a) they're expensive to buy and maintain, and (b) whilst UK charging infra might be good enough to get you there on a long journey, it's nowhere near good enough to do so in predictable time (which is important to a lot of us).

Also, basic practicalities: when I visit my parents there's no charging facility where they live so on at least some trips where the driving is more than just there and back I'd have to spend an hour driving somewhere, charging the car, and then driving back - time I'd rather spend with them given I'm often only with them for a day or two.

Re: The Next Car You Buy Should Be Electric

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Of course, the rational arguments are almost all in favor of electric. But he's not going to win many friends here with that quote! >old-school petrolheads screaming … that part of the fun is to be pat of the machine … It’s like the old-school nerds refusing to adopt graphical user interfaces in the 80s. Give me bazaar-style composable UIs and I'll stop being an old-school nerd. Don't have any? Thought so!

> It’s like the old-school nerds refusing to adopt graphical user interfaces in the 80s.

This is ironic.

Re: The Next Car You Buy Should Be Electric

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Of course, the rational arguments are almost all in favor of electric. But he's not going to win many friends here with that quote! >old-school petrolheads screaming … that part of the fun is to be pat of the machine … It’s like the old-school nerds refusing to adopt graphical user interfaces in the 80s. Give me bazaar-style composable UIs and I'll stop being an old-school nerd. Don't have any? Thought so!

Emacs is a GUI.

Re: The Next Car You Buy Should Be Electric

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but you won't be able to supercharge them (if not now, then at some point soon). Rich Rebuilds has gone over the headaches of this extensively and you'll notice the last year or so of his content has nothing to do with Teslas.

I’m actually fine with that. Other than me scrounging around in the usual places, any links to where I should start looking for salvage titles?

Same places as for any other car really. :)

Wholesaler auctions are your best bet.

Re: The Next Car You Buy Should Be Electric

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Petrol cars actually work in extreme climates.

Petrol cars can be easily fixed in a driveway.

This comment does not deserve downvotes. Tesla is every bit as anti-hobbyist as Apple or John Deere.

Re: The Next Car You Buy Should Be Electric

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I don't like to discuss EVs in public because things quickly devolve into an inquisition if one doesn't fully embrace the messaging, but I'll bite.

From an enthusiast perspective, I have no issues with an electric powertrain. The concept has a lot of promise once the implementation matures. The current issues I have with electric _powertrains_ (not vehicles) are: Relatively short battery lifespan, high replacement cost. Unrealistic range estimates. I live in Germany and the range is pathetic when traveling at actual Autobahn speeds, which is further worsened during the times of year when heating or cooling is required. Poor high speed performance, except in higher price brackets.

The thing that these enthusiast-directed EV articles always seem to miss is this point.

> Most car companies are adopting use of modern operating systems in their new cars. Most companies seem to couple this generational leap in in-car systems to their EV launches. If you, like me, want the best UX of the in-car system the quickest, it’s an EV you need to get.

I'm not interested in an iPad on wheels. The ideal UX in a car should be as unobtrusive as possible. I should set my destination, select my playlist, and never have to interact with a touchscreen until I arrive at my destination. I have yet to see an EV that sticks to this philosophy. The new Porsche Taycan climate control vents are controlled via touchscreen, for example. This is insane.

As for the environmental aspect, well, I'm probably going to regret saying this openly. We live in a fully industrialized world. Unless we're all willing to go back to using wind power to transport cargo and carriages to transport people, while simultaneously getting the world population back to pre-industrial levels, it's a bit too late. I don't think you're going to be saving anything with your EV. The messaging around this topic is akin to a man who burned his house down and is now discussing smoke alarms. It's too late, my friend.

Re: The Next Car You Buy Should Be Electric

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>"Why bother doing anything here as China is polluting so much? The reality is that we have to eliminate greenhouse gas emissions. All. That includes every tonne we release here, in our home country. No matter what does, we have to stop our pollution here Now."

Exporting your CO2 emissions to other countries (in the form of battery manufacture) does not achieve this goal. If anything, it's worse, because other countries like China will happily burn brown coal to power their factories.

And if it really is so important to stop CO2 emissions, then I'm surprised the author of this article raved about the touchscreens and other electronic gadgets present in all EVs, as they are incredibly resource- and energy- intensive to manufacture (equivalent to the energy needed to drive 1000s of miles), and are not necessary. In fact, I'm surprised the author can tell us that we should enjoy the driving pleasure of EVs, which seems a completely luxurious thing in an article telling us we need to make significant changes to our lifestyle to save the environment.

Also - the author only managed 1000km in one year on an ebike? That's embarassing, and makes it hard to justify the manufacturing expense in energy and materials of the battery and motor. I've had to start driving to work on more days, as I don't have the energy now I have two kids, but I still manage 2,500km of commuting per year on a regular bike (which is older than me), and on a very hilly route.

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