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The Reign of Introverts Is Here

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Re: The Reign of Introverts Is Here

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Post by 11thEarlOfMar »

Companies cannot grow and be successful without a wide variety of roles. And different roles tend to attract different personality types. The personality type for sales and the personality type for accounting are likely to have much less overlap than the personality types for media relations and human resources. It's not hard to imagine the archetype for each of those roles, and they are typically distinct personalities.

The gamut of personality types includes both introverts and extroverts. And not only are those not the only two, even among introverts and extroverts, there are degrees of introversion and extroversion.

Companies need all types to be optimally successful. Conflating personality types with goodness and badness is simply creating conflict. Don't fall for it.

Re: The Reign of Introverts Is Here

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Post by paulpauper »

arcturus17 wrote: post #8

> Expect the balance of wealth and power to shift accordingly Haha, no, absolutely not. Power and wealth will still be accumulated primarily through persuading and influencing others. Good luck accumulating significant capital without that!

It depends how you define wealth and power. I mean, $200k at Apple may not be super wealthy or super powerful, but it is still way better than retail work.

Re: The Reign of Introverts Is Here

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Post by luffapi »

paulpauper wrote: post #23

It is not so much about intorversion vs. extorverson but rather IQ. Similar the 2008 financial crisis, the biggest losers of the Covid crisis and its recovery are the untalented, whose jobs are pay little and are replaceable and interchangeable like cogs. And the biggest winners, similar again to the post-2008 recovery, are the talented, whose wages exceed inflation and whose contributions are valued and are harder t…

Talent, pay and IQ (if you believe it’s valid) have almost no correlation. Without question, the people I know earning them most money are rich kids and I assure you they are neither talented nor intelligent.

There are incredibly talented musicians out there that can’t even afford rent and genius mathematicians are rarely seen purchasing a yacht.

Re: The Reign of Introverts Is Here

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Post by sz4kerto »

AnotherTechie wrote: post #26
paulpauper wrote: post #23

It is not so much about intorversion vs. extorverson but rather IQ. Similar the 2008 financial crisis, the biggest losers of the Covid crisis and its recovery are the untalented, whose jobs are pay little and are replaceable and interchangeable like cogs. And the biggest winners, similar again to the post-2008 recovery, are the talented, whose wages exceed inflation and whose contributions are valued and are harder t…

IQ and pay are not related

They're correlated. The correlation is not 1, of course, but definitely positive. (Won't provide references -- there's plenty on the internet.) People in the bottom 30 percentile earn way less than people in the top 30.

Re: The Reign of Introverts Is Here

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Post by arcturus17 »

marcinzm wrote: post #27
arcturus17 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I hope we understand that influencing others can happen without meeting them in a room on their schedule OK, but this marginally favors introverts, if at all. People will still need to be aggressive in building relationships and influencing them. Does this sound to you like something introverts would enjoy, even if they're able to do it on Zoom?

Me and some other introverts I know actually find Zoom calls more draining than in person conversations. Not sure why.

I'm not sure I'm an introvert, I think I live in a broad range between the two poles, but I definitely notice that sometimes too.

Re: The Reign of Introverts Is Here

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Post by luffapi »

I want to like this because I’m an introvert and a wfh advocate, but it doesn’t make a very good case. Gates and Musk aren’t successful because they are introverts, they’re are successful because they are sociopaths from rich families.

Re: The Reign of Introverts Is Here

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Post by MattGaiser »

aviraldg wrote: post #28

One of the changes due to WFH that I'm happiest about is how all meetings are now online, which makes my inability* to find the right time to take a turn speaking in a conversation less of a problem (since it's possible to "raise a hand" in most online meeting apps, or just drop a message in chat.) Better still, most meetings can be converted to emails, so this situation doesn't arise in the first place. I don't thin…

I also like that I can effectively opt out of the meeting just by moving my real work to my forward facing monitor and putting the meeting on the side.

Re: The Reign of Introverts Is Here

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Post by paulpauper »

sz4kerto wrote: post #34
AnotherTechie wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IQ and pay are not related

They're correlated. The correlation is not 1, of course, but definitely positive. (Won't provide references -- there's plenty on the internet.) People in the bottom 30 percentile earn way less than people in the top 30.

I dunno why this is such a hard concept for people to understand

Imagine you want to earn money and thus you need learn a skill. Which would earn you more money: learning to code or learning to stock shelves.

Re: The Reign of Introverts Is Here

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Post by sz4kerto »

luffapi wrote: post #33
paulpauper wrote: post #23

It is not so much about intorversion vs. extorverson but rather IQ. Similar the 2008 financial crisis, the biggest losers of the Covid crisis and its recovery are the untalented, whose jobs are pay little and are replaceable and interchangeable like cogs. And the biggest winners, similar again to the post-2008 recovery, are the talented, whose wages exceed inflation and whose contributions are valued and are harder t…

Talent, pay and IQ (if you believe it’s valid) have almost no correlation. Without question, the people I know earning them most money are rich kids and I assure you they are neither talented nor intelligent. There are incredibly talented musicians out there that can’t even afford rent and genius mathematicians are rarely seen purchasing a yacht.

> There are incredibly talented musicians out there that can’t even afford rent and genius mathematicians are rarely seen purchasing a yacht.

Sorry, but anecdotes are really problematic (i.e. useless) when evaluating correlation between variables.

Research puts IQ - income correlation to around 0.4, if my memory serves.

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