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YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

We're back at the platform vs. publisher debate... I think this should be a either-or thing, that every webpage chooses. Then, you're either a platform, and can only remove directly illegal stuff (or when told by the courts to do so), or a publisher, decide what content you publish and what you remove, and then carry the full responsibility for that content.

The current situation, where pages like youtube can act as publishers, and cherry pick what they keep/promote and what they remove, and still keep all the platform protections is really bad, mostly for the users.

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

#32

Post by DSingularity »

ralph84 wrote: post #22

No worries, Google will just sponsor a human rights award and award it to themselves to help them feel better about enabling human rights violations. They have the playbook perfected. [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26880262

War is peace.

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by zarkov99 »

kemonocode wrote: post #8

Conspiracy nuts and other unsavory members from fringe communities do make for odd bedfellows when one is being actively censored, thus why I am loathe to promote Bitchute et al. Best second alternative would be their own Peertube instance, but that of course requires them to put up their own infrastructure.

Todays conspiracy is often tomorrow's orthodoxy. Society is better served by erring on the side of free speech and letting evolution decide what ideas are good and where are not. This was settled hundreds of years ago but apparently this generation did not get the memo.

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by tiahura »

systemvoltage wrote: post #4
ipython wrote: post #2

And yet these platforms are actively disseminating Chinese propaganda about the issue: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/06/22/technology/xi...

I have a hunch that a lot of division in the US atleast has some role or interference from Russia/China. No proof, but to me it makes sense and it is so easy to do, we've seen it happen in the past (Cambridge Analytica), and if I were an adversary of the United States, I would be trivial to sow discord amongst the populace. We're currently witnessing some fractures in the US military leadership as well. I don't mean…

Of course Russia and China are spreading it. If they’re not spreading disinformation in the US, then what in the world are their intelligence services doing to earn their paychecks?

The US needs to IP blacklist Russia and China. If you do business in the US, you shouldn’t be able to connect to a network that is connected to Russia or China. Let the European and Asian backbone providers choose, do business with US businesses or Russia / China.

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by nexus2045 »

systemvoltage wrote: post #4
ipython wrote: post #2

And yet these platforms are actively disseminating Chinese propaganda about the issue: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/06/22/technology/xi...

I have a hunch that a lot of division in the US atleast has some role or interference from Russia/China. No proof, but to me it makes sense and it is so easy to do, we've seen it happen in the past (Cambridge Analytica), and if I were an adversary of the United States, I would be trivial to sow discord amongst the populace. We're currently witnessing some fractures in the US military leadership as well. I don't mean…

All it took to "debunk" the lab leak hypothesis is to call it racism. So easy. I'm sure someone from China must have realized by now how convenient of a "get out of jail free card" this is.

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by the_third_wave »

Enginerrrd wrote: post #9
systemvoltage wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a hunch that a lot of division in the US atleast has some role or interference from Russia/China. No proof, but to me it makes sense and it is so easy to do, we've seen it happen in the past (Cambridge Analytica), and if I were an adversary of the United States, I would be trivial to sow discord amongst the populace. We're currently witnessing some fractures in the US military leadership as well. I don't mean…

Can you elaborate on the fractures in militrlary leadership you mentioned? Or point me to somewhere I can learn more?

I suppose the parent poster referred to the recent spat related to a navy admiral who advised troops to read Ibram Kendi's book advocating racism under the guise of anti-racism [1]. There have been more such clashes but this is one of the most visible examples. If this divisive ideology really gets a hold on the US armed forces it will be an enormous boon for potential opponents since it will demoralise troops just as effectively as it managed to demoralise police forces all over the USA. The results of the latter can be seen clearly by the number of officers deciding to quit and the increase in crime rates all over the USA.

We can only hope that the former will not become apparent - and I'm saying this as a European. The USA exports its culture quite effectively to our parts of the world, both the good parts as well as the bad. The latter category includes a bevy of critical theory spin-offs which have grown like wildfire in academia from where they managed to escape into the real world where they're wreaking havoc. While it is clear that these movements are self-extinguishing due to their dependence on an ever-increasing number of identity groups vying for a position in the oppression hierarchy the amount of damage they can do - and have already done - to societal cohesion is enormous.

[1] https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-fiery-explosive-challen...

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by DubiousPusher »

tiahura wrote: post #34
systemvoltage wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a hunch that a lot of division in the US atleast has some role or interference from Russia/China. No proof, but to me it makes sense and it is so easy to do, we've seen it happen in the past (Cambridge Analytica), and if I were an adversary of the United States, I would be trivial to sow discord amongst the populace. We're currently witnessing some fractures in the US military leadership as well. I don't mean…

Of course Russia and China are spreading it. If they’re not spreading disinformation in the US, then what in the world are their intelligence services doing to earn their paychecks? The US needs to IP blacklist Russia and China. If you do business in the US, you shouldn’t be able to connect to a network that is connected to Russia or China. Let the European and Asian backbone providers choose, do business with US bus…

> Of course Russia and China are spreading it.

You know the US has and does do this too right?

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by gspr »

8458e112e7b2 wrote: post #37

Their platform, their rules. If the rights group needs to publish videos, they should create their own platform.

> Their platform, their rules.

Sure. Doesn't make them immune from criticism. So here's criticsm: go to hell you fucking apologists for genocidal maniacs!

Re: YouTube takes down Xinjiang videos, forcing rights group to seek alternative

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Post by ALittleLight »

When I think of moral dilemmas I think of hard problems like "Would you stand up to the Nazis even though they might execute you?" or "Would you escape North Korea though they might punish your family?" It's depressing to realize how weak the dilemmas need to be in real life to get almost everyone to go down the immoral path. "Would you tacitly support genocide if your employer bought you lunch?"
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