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Re: Using Paper for Everyday Tasks

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As I see it we live through a period where two incredible capabilities remain unreconciled. The free format ability of paper to capture nuance, creativity and complexity in recording information versus the powerful augmentation of search / modify / repurpose existing records that you get with digital tools. Not sure there will ever be something that can support both but it does not sound forbidden by some law of natu…

The note taking device like Remarkable or Supernote are getting pretty close.

Re: Using Paper for Everyday Tasks

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The Remarkable looks very useful. But of course the Remarkable has an ecological footprint too, just like paper has. A non-zero amount of energy and resources went into manufacturing the device. Extracting and shipping metals/oil/silicone, refining those materials, then constructing the display/CPU/motherboard/other components, then shipping all the components to the assembly site, then shipping the device to the sto…

It's not like making paper is energy free. You need to grow the trees, cut the trees using machinery, transport cut trees to factory which is under all likelihood not anywhere close, turn tree pulp into paper, package it, ship it to warehouses before it's actually shipped to the end store to be eventually picked up by a consumer. Not sure what your point actually is, if you want to compare both supply chains then you…

Exactly. Hence the comment about the life cycle assessment.

Re: Using Paper for Everyday Tasks

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Just out of curiosity, do you use toilet paper? Or do you use a bidet? or do use textile napkins that you wash regularly?

I take a shower immediately after a dump

Have you done the math on this?

My gut says this seems, worse somehow.

Using a 9 l/min shower head for a 6 minute shower results in 54 litres of water being consumed. 54 litres heated from ambient (say; 15 deg C) to shower temperature (say; 40 deg C) requires 1.6 kWh of energy.

Most toilet paper is recycled so it’s a matter of figuring out how much the recycle process consumes per roll, then dividing it by the amount of average toilet paper segments a person uses.

EDIT: Lloyd Alter of the website treehugger.com reports that making a single roll of toilet paper requires 37 gallons of water, 1.3 kilowatt/hours (KWh) of electricity and some 1.5 pounds of wood.

So a whole roll is less than a shower, but I guess it also depends how the energy is being generated; because there are indications that toilet rolls are not entirely recycled, most use some amount of virgin wood.

Anyway, my point is not "you're wrong", my point is that it's a lot more nuanced than people think, and often the "green" solution can be less green but make them feel better.

Re: Using Paper for Everyday Tasks

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Lately I've been writing a lot in paper notepads and I've favored pens over pencils. I don't remember where I heard this idea originally, but there's something about using a pen which makes you grow a bit more comfortable with accepting that errors and mistakes will always happen but you can take action later on to correct those mistakes. With a pencil you often erase your mistakes and pretend they never happened. You're a flawed human, not a flawless writing machine. Expecting perfection from yourself at all times is very limiting. It's better to fill up a notebook with a mix of good ideas and mistakes than to leave it blank.

Re: Using Paper for Everyday Tasks

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As I see it we live through a period where two incredible capabilities remain unreconciled. The free format ability of paper to capture nuance, creativity and complexity in recording information versus the powerful augmentation of search / modify / repurpose existing records that you get with digital tools. Not sure there will ever be something that can support both but it does not sound forbidden by some law of natu…

The note taking device like Remarkable or Supernote are getting pretty close.

over the years I've been so dissapointed with pens[0] at some point I've given up. but maybe I will muster the will to try again :-)

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compaq_Concerto

Re: Using Paper for Everyday Tasks

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I have used paper but finally with my Remarkable 2 I can keep my paper workflow/feel and don’t waste paper .

I don't think using paper in a reasonable and conscious manner is "wasting" the paper. Most of the paper waste, I suspect, is from different uses (like printing tons of crap in offices). Thoughts?

Re: Using Paper for Everyday Tasks

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I love the idea of wasting trees because you just prefer to write things down on paper. Been in the workforce for decades and I've met more than a handful of people who love writing things down and, of course, drawing stuff. I've had a guy justify not taking notes because he didn't have a pen and paper on hand...WHILE having an online meeting. On a computer. Now, these people don't have much in common but they tend t…

Depends. If you throw the paper away then sure, it's waste. But... if you keep it then suddenly you're doing carbon capture. Saving the environment one bad meeting at a time. Or riveting collections of todo-done. But yeah the idiots who use the "I don't have paper therefore can't take notes." They're the worst.

There's no way, currently, for digital to compete with the precision and tactile feel of paper. One day we may get there, we are advancing remarkably quickly (pun intended).

Re: Using Paper for Everyday Tasks

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It's not like making paper is energy free. You need to grow the trees, cut the trees using machinery, transport cut trees to factory which is under all likelihood not anywhere close, turn tree pulp into paper, package it, ship it to warehouses before it's actually shipped to the end store to be eventually picked up by a consumer. Not sure what your point actually is, if you want to compare both supply chains then you…

Exactly. Hence the comment about the life cycle assessment.

If we use retail price as a proxy for resource use, how many pages of medium quality notebook could you buy for the price of a Remarkable table.

Re: Using Paper for Everyday Tasks

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How about a middle ground? I've been looking into the new generation of eink devices that are great for notetaking. Remarkable etc Best of both worlds and no more dead trees

While I love my Remarkable 2 for taking notes, journaling, drawing and sharing/exporting the results, it lacks search/discoverability/navigation.

In a physical notebook it’s trivial to flip back a few pages to recall a note from last week. On remarkable that takes a lot more time, and the time cost is paid twice, once for finding the old note, and a second time to get back to the page I was writing. (Imagine working in a single browser window fullscreen without tabs).

I’m still looking for an optimal flow. And I’m gravitating towards something that can ingest remarkable pages, perform OCR and categorise/index the results.

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