Telegram is not E2EE. Avoid.
E2EE is genuinely hard to implement in the context of a chat service with server-side chat history, large (10k+ user) group chats, and multiple clients (including web applications).
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
As long as the Russian government is able to keep funding it? :)
Be nice if Americans could make something this good again. Have you seen WhatsApp lately? It's a pure travesty.
I like whatsapp a lot, personally. The stickers aren't as good as Telegram, though.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your info is outdated.
As far as I know, one-on-one chats are not E2EE by default (there's a "secret chat" opt-in) and group chats cannot be encrypted at all. Has that changed?
Not supporting E2EE (cite: Telegram is not E2EE) and E2EE being not on by default are two very different things.
Not being on by default has an impact on other things, that the users value more. If they were on by default, they would lose it and Telegram would lose part of its appeal. This way, users themselves can choose the trade-off they are happy with.
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#34To me Telegram feels like the red corner district of a city. I simply don't feel like I can trust it, there's something very shady about it. I wouldn't be surprised if Telegram reads those exclusive Bitcoin whale groups and uses that insider info. Group chats are not end to end encrypted.
That being said, WhatsApp is like the authorized garage where you know that you'll get the service which is officially recognized (by the government) and will keep your car's value "at its best", but which screws you over in so many ways.
Everything else is somewhere in between these two platforms.
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#35Why can't the western titans of SV make something like Telegram?
Why do billion dollar companies like FB, Google and even Discord consistently produce software that is low in performance?
Is it an issue with western (web) development culture where "developer time" is "prioritized" over performance to the point where the developer knows everything about the business processes and product requirements and NOTHING about how computers actually work?
What is it about Russian/Eastern European software culture that created developers capable of producing the smoothest and most well-thought out messaging app?
If you reply to this comment, please ensure that the first sentence contains the phrase "E2E".
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#36Telegram is getting so many cool features that I really wonder how long can it sustain being ad-free and user-centric.
As long as the Russian government is able to keep funding it? :)
I believe the owner/founder was kicked out of Russia. It was also banned in Russia for a while, at least they tried banning it.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
They have the most productive and high quality engineers in the game. And I say this as someone that whinces at telegram for not having e2e encryption by default.
The Telegram Apps are all great and have so many awesome features that are crucially also extremely well implemented. Everything seems so well thought through! It's just incredibly scary not to know anything about who these developers are, where they are located and most importantly how this is all financed! I understand Pavel Durov is a very wealthy man, but developing and hosting a popular global messenger service…
TBH my threat model views Russian and Middle Eastern oligarchs and governments as less of an immediate threat to my freedoms than my own government or major US tech firms.
Long run it's a problem, but until I have a app at the same risk/feature sweet spot I don't mind the downsides of telegram.
(Edited cause I am utterly unable to spell)
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#38Telegram is getting so many cool features that I really wonder how long can it sustain being ad-free and user-centric.
It has already been announced that they will add ads to Telegram but only to public groups/channels over a certain amount of users. Everything else will stay ad free. See: https://t.me/durov/142
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#39Telegram is getting so many cool features that I really wonder how long can it sustain being ad-free and user-centric.
As long as the Russian government is able to keep funding it? :)
Any strong evidence of this? I mean actual links or investigations proving that?
Or are you deliberately spreading unsubstantiated claims?
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#40Telegram does not have group voice nor video calls. It has voice (and now video) chats.
// Unless I am not aware of any recent change, I tested this last month and don't see any related update ever since.
Which is not the same, and actually, for me is not useful at all. The main difference is that a "chat" does not ring the other participants' phones, which is a must for me to "call" my family either voice or video. You must first tell them through chat that you will create a voice or video room/chat. For 1-on-1 it does have calls, as it rings. For groups, it does not.