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New type of ancient human discovered in Israel

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Re: New type of ancient human discovered in Israel

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I suspect our overall picture of early human development will have a type of availability bias to control for. The arid middle eastern climate / soil conditions are more conducive to the preservation of remains so that is what you tend to find. How representative these finds of what happened in the huge Eurasia region?

On the other hand the Africa / Asia land bridge would logically always have been an "interesting" area as the conduit for any population migrations.

Re: New type of ancient human discovered in Israel

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What I assume the poster meant - I might of course be wrong - is that the in the US discoveries are named after the location names of white settlers, not by the names of the locations that the people called them, that the white settlers killed to take the land. e.g. someone says "Discovered in New York" instead of how the land was named by the Native Americans who lived there and were killed.

Manhattan is derived from a native American phrase or word as far as I know.

You're right, looks like a bastardized version of "manaháhtaan" says Wikipedia.

Re: New type of ancient human discovered in Israel

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I've read that there are "genetic bottlenecks" in human DNA that imply that one point in time, the population of homo sapiens consisted of only a couple thousand individuals. It stands to reason that there are tons of human subspecies that didn't make it.

This isn't accurate.

Re: New type of ancient human discovered in Israel

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the reply is meant to be a critique of the above comment. They assumed that the first commentator was American, so said that given America entirely consists of land inhabited by displaced peoples (American Indians) that it's hypocritical to criticise Israel, which partially consists of that kind of land, for the same injustice.

To be accurate, Israel also entirely consists of that kind of land.

This is kind of very correct but also very misleading:

Israel is partly bought, partly doled out by UN and partly won in war.

Yes, many Arabs were displaced and with a course enough resolution there was an Arab within x kilometers everywhere in what has become Israel.

Also at the same time even more Jews where chased out from the countries around.

At no point did North American tribes drive out more Europeans (or any at all) than Europeans drove out Native Americans.

There can hardly be peace until we get the facts straight, both ways, so we should strive for that.

Re: New type of ancient human discovered in Israel

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I've read that there are "genetic bottlenecks" in human DNA that imply that one point in time, the population of homo sapiens consisted of only a couple thousand individuals. It stands to reason that there are tons of human subspecies that didn't make it.

The numbers I've seen are something like as low as a few thousand for European population, but more like 5k for African populations

Of course, these are model populations based on idealized breeding right- I believe the way these estimates work is that they represent the idealized minimum bound for a real population that was likely magnitudes greater but had lots of deaths.

And as others have pointed out I believe there were several bottle neck events in the 'recent' past

Re: New type of ancient human discovered in Israel

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be accurate, Israel also entirely consists of that kind of land.

This is kind of very correct but also very misleading: Israel is partly bought, partly doled out by UN and partly won in war. Yes, many Arabs were displaced and with a course enough resolution there was an Arab within x kilometers everywhere in what has become Israel. Also at the same time even more Jews where chased out from the countries around. At no point did North American tribes drive out more Europeans (or any…

I don't know how it is misleading. In 1947, the Jews were 33% of the population and owned just 6% of the land of Palestine, yet a UN of only 46 countries and dominated by the great powers granted them 55% of the land for a Jewish state which zionist offensives quickly expanded to 80% of the land while ethnically cleansing the population. The zionists were the direct cause of the exodus of the worlds' oldest Jewish communities in the other Arab lands both by their treatment of the Palestinians but also by sowing panic in Jews in Iraq and elsewhere by planting bombs in synagogues. Israel, a European colony largely, now needed Mizrahi Jews since the European Jews had been subjected to genocide. Of course some Jews in places like Yemen were zionists also and emigrated for that reason. Anything non-factual in that?

Re: New type of ancient human discovered in Israel

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the reply is meant to be a critique of the above comment. They assumed that the first commentator was American, so said that given America entirely consists of land inhabited by displaced peoples (American Indians) that it's hypocritical to criticise Israel, which partially consists of that kind of land, for the same injustice.

To be accurate, Israel also entirely consists of that kind of land.

Do you know anotherland than Iceland, which does not consist of such land if you look carefully enough?

Re: New type of ancient human discovered in Israel

#39

I've read that there are "genetic bottlenecks" in human DNA that imply that one point in time, the population of homo sapiens consisted of only a couple thousand individuals. It stands to reason that there are tons of human subspecies that didn't make it.

This isn't accurate.

He didn’t give a source, you didn’t either, come on I’m curious to know!

Re: New type of ancient human discovered in Israel

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is kind of very correct but also very misleading: Israel is partly bought, partly doled out by UN and partly won in war. Yes, many Arabs were displaced and with a course enough resolution there was an Arab within x kilometers everywhere in what has become Israel. Also at the same time even more Jews where chased out from the countries around. At no point did North American tribes drive out more Europeans (or any…

I don't know how it is misleading. In 1947, the Jews were 33% of the population and owned just 6% of the land of Palestine, yet a UN of only 46 countries and dominated by the great powers granted them 55% of the land for a Jewish state which zionist offensives quickly expanded to 80% of the land while ethnically cleansing the population. The zionists were the direct cause of the exodus of the worlds' oldest Jewish co…

You had a point until you brought up the Yemeni Jews who had been oppressed for generations treated as second class citizens, charged a "protection tax," banned from wearing the traditional Sudra as a form of humiliation, and more recently persecuted by the Houthis. The plight of the Palestinians is very real, but refrain from rewriting the history of Yemeni Jews. Educate yourself.
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