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Google extends third party cookie deadline until late 2023

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Re: Google extends third party cookie deadline until late 2023

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

jsnell wrote: post #21

So when a major regulatory authority forbids Chrome from proceeding with the third party cookie deprecation plan, what should Google do? Apparently the vast majority of HN commenters think that they should ignore the regulators, and just plow ahead. For some reason I imagine that if they actually were to ignore the regulators, the feedback from exactly the same commenters would not be positive.

I think they should deprecate Chrome or spin it off into another company. The issue here is monopoly.

Also, regulators aren't upset about them blocking third party cookies, every other browser already does that. They're upset about Google's attempts to inject new Google-controlled tracking methods that grant them a further advantage at the cost of all their competitors.

The answer is simple: Block third party cookies and don't replace them with anything.

Re: Google extends third party cookie deadline until late 2023

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Post by fumar »

jefftk wrote: post #10
dheera wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Drive itself uses third-party cookies. You can't download files from Google Drive without enabling them, for some reason.

Are you saying you can't download files from Google Drive in the default Safari configuration?

Was the delay caused by between Chrome and Ads teams not aligning on privacy sandbox APIs?

Re: Google extends third party cookie deadline until late 2023

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Post by atty »

bootlooped wrote: post #28
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #3

So for two more years, Chrome will be the only major web browser to provide no reasonable expectation of privacy and security. Nobody should still be using it by 2023.

I don't understand this assertion since Chrome already lets you block third party cookies.

I think the assertion is one of the tyranny of the default. If they are not blocked by default, then for the majority of users, the option effectively does not exist, since they will not proactively look for such a setting.

Re: Google extends third party cookie deadline until late 2023

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Post by koolba »

bootlooped wrote: post #19
tristor wrote: post #16

Sounds like a great reason for everyone to stop using Chrome. This is a capability that's been in Firefox and Safari for awhile now. We're getting back to a point where the dominant browser is focused on rent-extraction over user-focused design and features, and alternatives are superior in pretty much every way other than bug-compat with the dominant browser (e.g. same thing we had in the IE6 days). There's no reaso…

Chrome still lets you block third party cookies. Not with an extension or some low level tweak; it's just in the settings.

Is there a use case for third party cookies outside of ad tracking? I’ve had it disabled for years and don’t recall it breaking any website I actually care to use.

Re: Google extends third party cookie deadline until late 2023

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Post by bootlooped »

koolba wrote: post #34
bootlooped wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chrome still lets you block third party cookies. Not with an extension or some low level tweak; it's just in the settings.

Is there a use case for third party cookies outside of ad tracking? I’ve had it disabled for years and don’t recall it breaking any website I actually care to use.

Apparently certain workflows in Okta would be hampered or prevented if third cookies were totally blocked.

https://support.okta.com/help/s/article/FAQ-How-Blocking-Thi...

Re: Google extends third party cookie deadline until late 2023

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Post by rektide »

fumar wrote: post #14

> We believe the web community needs to come together to develop a set of open standards to fundamentally enhance privacy on the web, giving people more transparency and greater control over how their data is used. > In order to do this, we need to move at a responsible pace. This will allow sufficient time for public discussion on the right solutions, continued engagement with regulators, and for publishers and the…

news in the past two weeks has been of eu antitrust actions over issues including this 3rd party cookies change, and uk demanding their regulators get veto power over changing 3rd party cookies.

google is trying to escape a colossal regulatory hellfire that has sprung up in the last two weeks over this attempt to do the right thing, that other browsers already do. shit has just gone defcon4 & they are adding time to the doomsday clock that various national & supranational powers have just set ticking. set ticking for doing the right thing. scratch that, for having said they would be doing the right thing, hereby rescinded.

mark Nottingham wrote up some of these new regulatory regimes being imposed on Google on Monday: https://www.mnot.net/blog/2021/06/21/standards-competition-g... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27578618

Re: Google extends third party cookie deadline until late 2023

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Post by iamben »

Not defending cookies - but I just don't think most of the rest of the world cares. Outside of the tech bubble that really cares, I'm not sure I know a single non-tech person that, other than 'the popup', even knows what a cookie is (let alone gives a damn). 99% of my non-tech friends/relatives are just bored of 'the box thing that comes up every time you visit a website'. No one it them and everyone just clicks the quickest button ('Accept All') to just get on with whatever they were trying to look at.

Re: Google extends third party cookie deadline until late 2023

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Post by cptskippy »

koolba wrote: post #34
bootlooped wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chrome still lets you block third party cookies. Not with an extension or some low level tweak; it's just in the settings.

Is there a use case for third party cookies outside of ad tracking? I’ve had it disabled for years and don’t recall it breaking any website I actually care to use.

A lot of older SSO technology like Gigya use 3rd Party Cookies. They've had a hell of a time on Apple devices.

Re: Google extends third party cookie deadline until late 2023

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Post by PpEY4fu85hkQpn »

iamben wrote: post #37

Not defending cookies - but I just don't think most of the rest of the world cares . Outside of the tech bubble that really cares, I'm not sure I know a single non-tech person that, other than 'the popup', even knows what a cookie is (let alone gives a damn). 99% of my non-tech friends/relatives are just bored of 'the box thing that comes up every time you visit a website'. No one it them and everyone just clicks the…

Just because people don't understand the technical details doesn't mean they don't want the outcome.

Like how 96% of iOS users asked apps not to track them.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/05/96-of-us-users-opt-o...

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