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Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Post by rejectedandsad »

anonygler wrote: post #9

That's insane. The residency program is a way for people from unique backgrounds to enter into the software engineering field with less stringent interview requirements. SWE can pay upwards of $500-600k after 5-10 years of experience. This was an incredible opportunity and it's an absolute shame that internal protests killed it. Yes, you get less pay and a smaller stock refresh, but I know a few people who's careers…

I know a few people that took EngRes over Amazon despite the pay gap and it really hammered home how much folks think people like me are subhuman - they literally think being a lower paid, probationary employee is better than working at Amazon. I’m glad it’s done for, it was basically just another pipeline for elite students to have a fallback into Google (The folks I knew that took it were CS students from UChicago and UPenn)

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Post by babyshake »

hkarthik wrote: post #27
artichokes wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US Census categories are incorrect.

10 bucks says you could meet some of these folks on the street and you'd think they were European.

There is definitely a spectrum between Mediterranean and Middle Eastern.

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Post by SuoDuanDao »

akomtu wrote: post #16
artichokes wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Descendants of Europeans. It's not ambiguous.

What degree of purity is required to count as a European? Europeans can and do mix with non-europeans.

Under US law, 'one drop of blood' is sufficient to count as nonwhite. Might be an outgrowth of puritanism, I'm not sure.

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Post by sokoloff »

Imnimo wrote: post #13
MikeUt wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, okay. So we can keep claiming Google, a US company, favors white workers until when? Until less than 10%* of their US workers are white? Is that what being favored means? That companies in your own country look elsewhere to import workers? *Ballpark white global population.

All I'm saying is that your statistic does not disprove the allegation that Google's hiring processes might favor white workers. You're making an apples-to-oranges comparison, and drawing a conclusion that isn't demonstrated by the data. I'm also not saying that these numbers prove that Google does favor white workers. Only that they are not sufficient to disprove the idea.

Should the null hypothesis be that Google discriminates in favor of white, Asian, and male applicants? Or should it be that Google is not discriminating improperly?

It seems strange to put people in a position where showing a datapoint that would otherwise tend to refute a hypothesis (which IMO should not be assumed to be true in the first place) is not enough to be considered as evidence against the hypothesis being true.

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Post by [deleted] »

MikeUt wrote: post #3

> Critics have long argued that Google and its tech industry peers favor white, Asian and male workers Google was 51.7% white in 2020, down from 54.4% in 2019 *. The US is 61.5% white, meaning whites are under-represented at Google, and increasingly so. How can one then argue they are favored? Why do reporters not apply even the smallest degree of scrutiny to such claims? * https://diversity.google/annual-report/

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Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Post by ergocoder »

Google has the too much SJW problem. These are extreme leftists who exaggerate everything to the max.

I remember in memegen. One person commented that, if you voted for republican, you would be killing me (because they were gay).

There were a bunch of mentions like this that just sounded exaggerated that nobody could have a reasonable convo.

It is also extremely contradictory. For example, we should get all killers in jail. In this case, it would be 49% of the country. If these republican voters kill gay, then why don't we put them in jail yet?

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Post by antognini »

footlose_3815 wrote: post #30
anonygler wrote: post #9

That's insane. The residency program is a way for people from unique backgrounds to enter into the software engineering field with less stringent interview requirements. SWE can pay upwards of $500-600k after 5-10 years of experience. This was an incredible opportunity and it's an absolute shame that internal protests killed it. Yes, you get less pay and a smaller stock refresh, but I know a few people who's careers…

The IT residency you don’t even get stock.

Same with the AI residency. (At least I didn't.)

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Post by Imnimo »

sokoloff wrote: post #34
Imnimo wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All I'm saying is that your statistic does not disprove the allegation that Google's hiring processes might favor white workers. You're making an apples-to-oranges comparison, and drawing a conclusion that isn't demonstrated by the data. I'm also not saying that these numbers prove that Google does favor white workers. Only that they are not sufficient to disprove the idea.

Should the null hypothesis be that Google discriminates in favor of white, Asian, and male applicants? Or should it be that Google is not discriminating improperly? It seems strange to put people in a position where showing a datapoint that would otherwise tend to refute a hypothesis (which IMO should not be assumed to be true in the first place) is not enough to be considered as evidence against the hypothesis being…

I'm not making any claim about what the null hypothesis should be here. I'm simply disagreeing that the datapoint says what the poster claims it says.

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Post by pancaku »

rejectedandsad wrote: post #31
anonygler wrote: post #9

That's insane. The residency program is a way for people from unique backgrounds to enter into the software engineering field with less stringent interview requirements. SWE can pay upwards of $500-600k after 5-10 years of experience. This was an incredible opportunity and it's an absolute shame that internal protests killed it. Yes, you get less pay and a smaller stock refresh, but I know a few people who's careers…

I know a few people that took EngRes over Amazon despite the pay gap and it really hammered home how much folks think people like me are subhuman - they literally think being a lower paid, probationary employee is better than working at Amazon. I’m glad it’s done for, it was basically just another pipeline for elite students to have a fallback into Google (The folks I knew that took it were CS students from UChicago…

Hi rejectedandsad,

I'm making my first comment on Hackernews because I saw your remark. I would encourage you to seek help for this negative thinking or at the very least reflect. I promise the majority of people in society do not view you as subhuman for working at Amazon. This is really an irrational thought.

Based on your post history I think you are beating yourself up over a non issue. You're working at a top company, with reasonable pay, and exciting projects. Yes some companies pay much higher, have more perks, better wlb, etc. but there will always be a better company wherever you work. Your work doesn't define you.

Chin up my friend, and maybe seek some professional help to improve your thoughts. You don't have to go through life suffering like this! I used to get extremely anxious/depressed focusing on my career but after going through therapy, and yes some medication I have been feeling much much better.

Best of luck!

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Post by pancaku »

I'm not commenting on whether these programs are a good idea or not. But I wanted to point out one thing about these programs I find funny is while the candidates races may be diverse their educational background is usually quite similar. A program at my work is very similar, and the majority of students went to the top ten CS schools.
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