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Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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> Propaganda isn’t bad by its nature (after-all, almost any content that relays information can be considered a form of propaganda). I have to disagree, propaganda is bad, as its aim isn't to inform, but to manipulate through dishonesty.

> but to manipulate through dishonesty. That's a narrow view of propaganda. You can manipulate through honesty as well.

I think you are taking a wide view of "honesty".

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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>All states essentially sell their Civil Religion (ours being one of liberty, equality, and capitalism in a two party system). This is normal.

pretty painful trying to read the rest of the article after this as the author clearly sees certain kinds of propaganda as objective good.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

#33

Once you learn the propaganda techniques, you start seeing it everywhere in the mainstream media. I used to think about 10% of the mainstream media was propaganda, now it seems like about 90%.

I majored in Media Studies in college...it's literally all bullshit propaganda. Even if the underlying story is true, they twist and warp the facts and selectively cover events based on the agenda they are pushing.

All media is owned by probably 5 people....but the general population eats that shit up and seems to get offended if you inform them of that.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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post #21

Once you learn the propaganda techniques, you start seeing it everywhere in the mainstream media. I used to think about 10% of the mainstream media was propaganda, now it seems like about 90%.

Why the classification "mainstream" media? Is non mainstream media qualitatively different?

Most "non mainstream" media companies are actually owned by the big mainstream media companies. For example, look at everything Disney owns.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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post #21

Once you learn the propaganda techniques, you start seeing it everywhere in the mainstream media. I used to think about 10% of the mainstream media was propaganda, now it seems like about 90%.

Why the classification "mainstream" media? Is non mainstream media qualitatively different?

I consider media outlets mainstream when they are all owned and controlled by one of the big groups like Sinclair. E.g., if they've ever made it into one of those montages where all the anchors from all over the country say the same catch phrases. I think they're different, because they anchors cannot say what they know to be true, but must stick to the script even when they know it's wrong, or they get fired. The smaller independent outlets can push propaganda as well, but they're not forced to, and their outreach is a small fraction of the conglomerates.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

#36
I like how their description of "Refuting the central point" is "refuting the central point" without explicitly telling us how that is different from "Refutation".

Also "Name Calling" is a form of "Ad Hominem".

And why is "using quotes" higher up than "reasoning and supporting evidence"?

Also, isn't the entire pyramid about the level of counter argument? So, contradiction is inherent in the process. It really seems like "Counteragrument", "Refutation", and "Refuting the central point" are all about the same thing. And if they are different then "Refutation" and "Counterargument" are ordered wrong. Because I think using reasoning and supporting evidence would be stronger than quotes.

So, really, this pyramid could be like 4 layers. Ad-hominem, Tone Policing, Simple Contradiction, Counter Argument

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

#37
> Selective truth: restrictive use of data or facts to sway opinion that might not be swayed if all the data or facts were given.

This is usually interpreted as presenting only half of a story, but the more common and powerful use is in presenting the whole story, while simply ignoring unfavorable stories, and promoting favorable ones. Is a murder front-page news, or a footnote? Depends on the murder.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

#38
Imagine thinking this...

>"Propaganda is information (delivered through any medium) designed to persuade, manipulate emotion, and change opinion rather than to inform using logical truths and facts. The aim of propaganda is to change minds via the use of emotion, misinformation, disinformation, truths, half-truths, and cleverly selected facts; not to enlighten (although one can technically propagandize true information, using emotion to sell truth, this generally isn’t what we are talking about when we use the term “propaganda”

Then saying this...

>Propaganda isn’t bad by its nature (after-all, almost any content that relays information can be considered a form of propaganda).

What the fuck. No, any content that relays information is NOT a form of propaganda.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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post #36

I like how their description of "Refuting the central point" is "refuting the central point" without explicitly telling us how that is different from "Refutation". Also "Name Calling" is a form of "Ad Hominem". And why is "using quotes" higher up than "reasoning and supporting evidence"? Also, isn't the entire pyramid about the level of counter argument? So, contradiction is inherent in the process. It really seems l…

And yet, Ad Hominem is useful, especially since certain channels are clearly propaganda.

Is it a shortcut? Yes. But as the blogpost points out, misinformation spreads far more quickly than truth. Its easier to shortcut and label certain outlets as propaganda channels, to help focus the discussion on the few channels which are reliable (Associated Press is good and neutral, and mainly factual)

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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post #28

There's a lot of good content in this article focused on the media. The media is highly visible and well-documented, so it makes sense. I'd like to see more content about indoctrination and propaganda happening in US education. This to me is much more insidious as it takes an impressionable populace (kids and young adults) and provides an authority figure (teachers and professors) that are largely hidden from public…

Do private schools not have propaganda? Student have over a dozen teachers over the course of education. If they "provide whatever narrative they like " it seems students would get a diverse range of perspectives. Not to mention all the perspectives they get from other authorities like their churches, clubs, family members, and... every adult they encounter, and every book too.

They do, but the parents have more of a say, since they're paying for it. And, since they can afford it, they have a choice of schools should their complaints fall on deaf ears.
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