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Yggdrasil – Early-stage implementation of an end-to-end encrypted IPv6 network

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Re: Yggdrasil – Early-stage implementation of an end-to-end encrypted IPv6 network

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Post by FuriouslyAdrift »

number6 wrote: post #27
neilalexander wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yggdrasil builds a multi-hop IPv6 overlay network using peer-to-peer connections. You can string a whole bunch of nodes together using whatever means (cables, wireless or TCP peerings over the internet or any other network) and you get a full-mesh network where everyone can reach everyone else. It's designed to be as minimal-configuration as possible and scalable in a way that many other mesh routing protocols aren't…

So it's a kind of VPN?

It's an overlay network (a software defined network that runs on top of another network... like you internet service providers network).

It's closer to bittorent than a VPN. It has end-to-end encryption and each node (the app that runs on your PC) distributes routes to each other (similar to how routing works on the Internet between large networks). It appears to be a flat spanning-tree style network.

They mention that it is using similar code and ideas as the cjdns project.

Re: Yggdrasil – Early-stage implementation of an end-to-end encrypted IPv6 network

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Post by dsr_ »

number6 wrote: post #27
neilalexander wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yggdrasil builds a multi-hop IPv6 overlay network using peer-to-peer connections. You can string a whole bunch of nodes together using whatever means (cables, wireless or TCP peerings over the internet or any other network) and you get a full-mesh network where everyone can reach everyone else. It's designed to be as minimal-configuration as possible and scalable in a way that many other mesh routing protocols aren't…

So it's a kind of VPN?

No, it's a kind of virtual public network.

Re: Yggdrasil – Early-stage implementation of an end-to-end encrypted IPv6 network

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Post by abra0 »

FuriouslyAdrift wrote: post #31
number6 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it's a kind of VPN?

It's an overlay network (a software defined network that runs on top of another network... like you internet service providers network). It's closer to bittorent than a VPN. It has end-to-end encryption and each node (the app that runs on your PC) distributes routes to each other (similar to how routing works on the Internet between large networks). It appears to be a flat spanning-tree style network. They mention th…

Do I understand correctly that it does not do hole-punching, and e.g. unlike with a VPN a host behind NAT will not be able to accept incoming connections?

Re: Yggdrasil – Early-stage implementation of an end-to-end encrypted IPv6 network

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Post by hutzlibu »

Tuna-Fish wrote: post #20
hulahoof wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

for some reason I thought norse mythology was older than this !

No comprehensive account of Norse mythology was ever written down by those who believed in it, or if it was, those records or references to them have not survived to this day. The only accounts we do have are those compiled by Christian monks who were converting the old Norse believers, right at the end of the pagan era. These accounts are heavily colored by the expectations and the worldview of those monks, and we d…

"For example, much of the popular conception of Ragnarok is heavily influenced by Christian eschatology, instead of the original Norse beliefs. "

In more easy words: christians believe that one day the world really ends with judgment day/apocalypse, and interpreted Ragnarok similar as the end of the world, which is what many people today think of Ragnarok (and that view that gets reinforced by the popular movies)

But Ragnarok is not the end of the world, just the end of a cycle and start of a new beginning. The snake that bites its own tail. Endless cycle of seasons. Really a different philosophy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbT8vzX4sZY

(Einar Selvik from Band Wardruna explains it, before performing a song about it)

Re: Yggdrasil – Early-stage implementation of an end-to-end encrypted IPv6 network

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Post by fretn »

FuriouslyAdrift wrote: post #31
number6 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it's a kind of VPN?

It's an overlay network (a software defined network that runs on top of another network... like you internet service providers network). It's closer to bittorent than a VPN. It has end-to-end encryption and each node (the app that runs on your PC) distributes routes to each other (similar to how routing works on the Internet between large networks). It appears to be a flat spanning-tree style network. They mention th…

can it be a bit compared to what tailscale does for ipv4 ?

Re: Yggdrasil – Early-stage implementation of an end-to-end encrypted IPv6 network

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Post by School-Cotton »

hulahoof wrote: post #12
WalterGR wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Norse mythology has that beat by over 600 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yggdrasil_(disambiguation)

for some reason I thought norse mythology was older than this !

It is.

First of all, it's a branch of Indo-European mythology, as are the Greek, Roman, and Hindu pantheons. So it has existed in some form for thousands of years. But "Norse mythology" as we know it was mostly written down in the 13th century - so 700+ years ago.

Re: Yggdrasil – Early-stage implementation of an end-to-end encrypted IPv6 network

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Post by y04nn »

FuriouslyAdrift wrote: post #31
number6 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it's a kind of VPN?

It's an overlay network (a software defined network that runs on top of another network... like you internet service providers network). It's closer to bittorent than a VPN. It has end-to-end encryption and each node (the app that runs on your PC) distributes routes to each other (similar to how routing works on the Internet between large networks). It appears to be a flat spanning-tree style network. They mention th…

This page [1] has answered most of the questions I has on the project.

[1] https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/about.html

Re: Yggdrasil – Early-stage implementation of an end-to-end encrypted IPv6 network

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Post by piva00 »

reaperducer wrote: post #24
WalterGR wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Norse mythology has that beat by over 600 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yggdrasil_(disambiguation)

Can anyone help with the pronunciation? There's no help from the Wikipedia article. (Not that Wikipedia pronunciation guides are of any use to anyone other than language nerds, anyway.)

In parts of Europe it's quite common (at least in Sweden and Norway I know it's true) to learn the IPA so you can make sense of the alphabet and its phonemes, no need to be a language nerd to have a passing knowledge of IPA.

I recommend you studying it a little, it's really not that hard, just looks weird.

Re: Yggdrasil – Early-stage implementation of an end-to-end encrypted IPv6 network

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Post by habibur »

Need performance comparison chart.

  Yggdrasil network throughput vs plain.
  Yggdrasil processor load and memory overhead vs plain.
  Yggdrasil latency vs plain.
No matter how bad that numbers look. One can at least know beforehand what to expect.
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