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Re: Dyslexie: A typeface for dyslexics

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According to the master's thesis there are no significant main effects: http://www.ilo.gw.utwente.nl/ilo/attachments/032_Masterthesi... I could imagine that this works well for specific kinds of dyslexia.

The approach is weird because it focuses on shapes: "many of the letters look similar – such as v/w, i/j and m/n – thus people with dyslexia often confuse these letters" Dyslexic people usually don't confuse letters M and N, they confuse M and P. Notice how they don't relate in any sort of way. This shows how much of a brainfuck (no offense) it is to live with dyslexia, and how hard it is for non-dyslexic to understa…

You mention that one might link 'm' to 'Green', for arbitrary reasons. Makes me wonder if anyone has tried actually colourising the typography. If every instance of 'm' was tinted green, every 'p' was tinted red, and perhaps a rainbow of tints for the most problematic characters, might the colour patterns made with words assist the reading process?

Re: Dyslexie: A typeface for dyslexics

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I don't have much trouble with reading text but I am prone to transposing digits when I read numbers (particularly long numbers such as phone numbers, credit card numbers, account numbers). I wonder if there is a sub-type of dyslexia that is limited to numbers?

Dyscalculia. I've known other people have that same problem too; thankfully it's more annoying than demoralising like dyslexia can be.

Ah ah ah! I am Count Dyscalculia. I vont to suck your cerebral cortex.

Re: Dyslexie: A typeface for dyslexics

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Dyscalculia. I've known other people have that same problem too; thankfully it's more annoying than demoralising like dyslexia can be.

Ah ah ah! I am Count Dyscalculia. I vont to suck your cerebral cortex.

Oh good, I'm not the only one that thought that!

Re: Dyslexie: A typeface for dyslexics

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A few questions for dyslexics: 1) Is it consistent? Do you have have trouble with the same letters/letter pairings? Or do different words tend to have different effects? 2) Normal readers tend to read the "word" and not the individual letters. Do/Can dyslexics do the same? As an example, if for instance dyslexics commonly were to transpose the "o" and "u" combination "ou" to "uo" I'm wondering if dyslexics read the j…

My dyslexia becomes more noticeable when reading large paragraphs. I love to read, even though I have to re-read paragraphs (sometimes more than 3 times). Some font types, of course, do help so this is something that I look for every time I have to read something.

I've been reading like this since I can remember. I feel my brain is working double-time TRYING to decipher whats in a text, and while making sense of it... it's a bit annoying if you think about it, but you learn to live with it.

Now, the experience in reading is the same experience I get when I go to watch a movie in 3D, which I hate! (with a passion)

Re: Dyslexie: A typeface for dyslexics

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This is very anecdotal naturally. But I am a dyslexic and it was really a struggle for me as a little kid. I don't like reading very much because it is a frustrating endeavor. I like information, I like thinking, and I guess I have favored smaller condensed pieces when reading. Perhaps why I love this website I can attest though that upon seeing the paragraph written at the end of the video that the text was much eas…

As a non-dyslexic, I was surprised how much easier this font was to read. Do you see a link to the typeface?

Re: Dyslexie: A typeface for dyslexics

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This is very anecdotal naturally. But I am a dyslexic and it was really a struggle for me as a little kid. I don't like reading very much because it is a frustrating endeavor. I like information, I like thinking, and I guess I have favored smaller condensed pieces when reading. Perhaps why I love this website I can attest though that upon seeing the paragraph written at the end of the video that the text was much eas…

Do you find it easier or harder to read under fluorescent lamps?

Re: Dyslexie: A typeface for dyslexics

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A few questions for dyslexics: 1) Is it consistent? Do you have have trouble with the same letters/letter pairings? Or do different words tend to have different effects? 2) Normal readers tend to read the "word" and not the individual letters. Do/Can dyslexics do the same? As an example, if for instance dyslexics commonly were to transpose the "o" and "u" combination "ou" to "uo" I'm wondering if dyslexics read the j…

Question 1

I find the font easier to read, but I became and avid reader after getting diagnosed and given private reading lessons in the 2nd grade (circa 1977). I suspect I retrained by brain with constant reading from that point onward.

By contrast, my sister who is 11 years older didn't get diagnosed young, and still struggles to read. Though she can read these days, she has a strong preference for audiobooks. When studying, she listens at 3x to 4x speed. Crazy fast. For personal reading she uses 1x to 2x.

Today here's what I can see (and since this is self reported, take it with a grain of salt):

a. I'm a slow reader compared to other avid readers. I read much faster than people that don't read often; I read about half as fast (or less) as my college friends that are avid readers.

b. For sentences or paragraphs displayed briefly (as happens in movies or TV shows), I get so worried about finishing the sentence, I often can't finish in the time the wording is shown. (So in this case I'm guessing I'm much slower than average.) I'd guess this is "test anxiety" [1]. Taking tests as a kid was torture. Example, I was relaxed taking my SATs and got 1250 (did it in one shot), for my ACTs, I was distracted and buzzing around in my head, and scored below the 50 percentile.

c. Answer "right / left" question is not automatic. I always have to think. I imagine pointing from my shoulder through my arm in the direction I'm thinking. (Perhaps every one does this.) I just know there's a small mental pause.

d. I struggle with unfamiliar but initial concepts or names. For example, when learning object-oriented programming, it took a bit for me to grok class vs object. Usually this forces a deep understanding, which in the end is great, but can be a slow learning process.

Question 2

I certainly read by whole words today. The problem (major difference) with dyslexics is the process of learning to read. When learning to read, dyslexics read in "chunks" and by word shape - basically seeing the word as whole, not the individual letters. I recall the uneven scanning. I also recall thinking "who the heck are these other kids learning this?" because I could see no rhyme or reason. AFAIK, kids normally clearly see the letters making up the words. I needed intense phonics training to "get" this.

Education (phonics training) is absolutely critical. Your "mouse"/"house" examples are exactly the kinds of intense flashcard things I went through. Day after day, card after card.

The Dyslexie font should be complimentary. I seriously doubt it would be a substitute. Many fonts explicitly emphasis readability - Dyslexie attempts to increase legibility for a non-standard brain type.

I think the font rocks, and I've love to get my hands on the font to live with it for a while.

[1] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Test_anxiety

Re: Dyslexie: A typeface for dyslexics

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This is very anecdotal naturally. But I am a dyslexic and it was really a struggle for me as a little kid. I don't like reading very much because it is a frustrating endeavor. I like information, I like thinking, and I guess I have favored smaller condensed pieces when reading. Perhaps why I love this website I can attest though that upon seeing the paragraph written at the end of the video that the text was much eas…

I don't understand why/how some of the changes they've made would help dyslexics immediately. Perhaps you could explain.

It seems like most of the changes were arbitrary (e.g. rotation, making the lower parts bolder) and designed to make two otherwise similar characters distinct. Wouldn't that require a learning period, to figure out which characters were changed in which ways? If you don't know (reflexively from memory) whether they rotated the `i` or the `j`, the rotation won't help anything.

Re: Dyslexie: A typeface for dyslexics

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the master's thesis there are no significant main effects: http://www.ilo.gw.utwente.nl/ilo/attachments/032_Masterthesi... I could imagine that this works well for specific kinds of dyslexia.

The approach is weird because it focuses on shapes: "many of the letters look similar – such as v/w, i/j and m/n – thus people with dyslexia often confuse these letters" Dyslexic people usually don't confuse letters M and N, they confuse M and P. Notice how they don't relate in any sort of way. This shows how much of a brainfuck (no offense) it is to live with dyslexia, and how hard it is for non-dyslexic to understa…

Could I have a link to the M/P thing? I googled it but all I could find was stuff about M[agnocellular] and P[arvocellular] processing in dyslexics.
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