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Apple’s new keyboard feature in iOS 15 is insult to Cantonese speaking community

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Re: Apple’s new keyboard feature in iOS 15 is insult to Cantonese speaking community

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Post by crooked-v »

raverbashing wrote: post #9

Edit 2: ok apparently iOS doesn't support Jyutping out of the box, which seems to be the whole issue here, and with this detail I agree that one shouldn't be more prioritary than having Jyutping first. > Pinyin is a romanization system designed for Mandarin. Why type Cantonese and Shanghainese in Mandarin Pinyin? (Edit: yes it might have to do with political pressure as well) I'm assuming if Apple did this (which is…

> since you write Cantonese and Mandarin with the same alphabet

Pinyin is a system designed for Mandarin specifically, while Jyutping[1] is the missing input method for Cantonese.

To put it another way, this is like giving a German person an English keyboard and, when they ask you where the umlauts and eszett are, telling them that they don't need that because the English keyboard now has autocomplete support for German dialectal spellings.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyutping

Re: Apple’s new keyboard feature in iOS 15 is insult to Cantonese speaking community

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Post by colordrops »

rado wrote: post #30
colordrops wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This article definitely has a political subtext. Spoken Cantonese and mandarin are mutually unintelligible, but in written form, at least without colloquialisms, they are basically the same language. I'm a non-chinese that studied Chinese, so I have no horse in this race. I do think they should support the Cantonese input method, but there's no reason the pinyin method wouldn't work just as well, other than lack of f…

There are written differences. HK, Taiwan = Traditional, Mainland = Simplified.

Traditional and simplified are interchangeable, and not tied to the dialect or language. You can enter simplified or traditional with pinyin.

Re: Apple’s new keyboard feature in iOS 15 is insult to Cantonese speaking community

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Post by Hamuko »

>Why would I type my native language with a foreign language keyboard? Would you type Russian with an American keyboard?

I've actually been using an American keyboard layout to write Japanese because I can't find how to type 「」 with my native Finnish layout.

Re: Apple’s new keyboard feature in iOS 15 is insult to Cantonese speaking community

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Post by lugged »

creshal wrote: post #26
bsaul wrote: post #3

The hypothesis never mentioned in the post, is i think that apple fears being kicked out of China for promoting cantonese or regional languages, going against the will of the CCP to make Mandarin the only official chineese language.

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To the downvotes: I don't know what you think the purpose of banning languages is, but in every other instance in history it is about destroying a culture and assimilating it's people's.

The one China policy is exactly that.

Re: Apple’s new keyboard feature in iOS 15 is insult to Cantonese speaking community

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Post by tomerv »

creshal wrote: post #26
bsaul wrote: post #3

The hypothesis never mentioned in the post, is i think that apple fears being kicked out of China for promoting cantonese or regional languages, going against the will of the CCP to make Mandarin the only official chineese language.

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Is genocide really an honest term in this context?

Re: Apple’s new keyboard feature in iOS 15 is insult to Cantonese speaking community

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Post by rtpg »

BoardsOfCanada wrote: post #21
akmarinov wrote: post #2

Yeah, Apple is the worst at supporting things outside of California and especially localization. The last time Apple added support for a new language was iOS 4 and brought the number of supported languages to about 30. In the meantime Android does more than 180, with all sort of region specific dialects. Even Windows Phone supported 50 while it was around.

The thing I miss most from Android after moving to iOS is how well auto completion worked when mixing multiple languages. On iOS I so often start typing, notice that the keyboard is set to the wrong language, then when I change language the half typed word (that didn't autocomplete and made me realize I had the wrong language set) is then autocompleted in the language I'm switching FROM so I have to erase it and star…

For me it's even weirder cuz I feel like I get (for example) English autocomplete with a french keyboard and French with English.

It happens consistently enough that I'm very convinced there's a state machine bug in the UI between the autocomplete and the language picker.

You don't even have to be _that_ language proficient to end up with English/Qwerty + some random other language. So weird that this is so buggy.

Re: Apple’s new keyboard feature in iOS 15 is insult to Cantonese speaking community

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Post by soco »

blntechie wrote: post #14

> Why would I type my native language with a foreign language keyboard? Would you type Russian with an American keyboard? I don’t know the intricacies of the Chinese languages but typing foreign languages with English keyboard is pretty common worldwide I guess? It certainly is for Indian languages at least.

I never thought it was something special to type English on a Swiss keyboard. Do people switch keyboards when they switch languages? To me it seems an unnecessary hassle, to remember where's the Z or why aren't there umlauts or or or, whenever I send an email to another person in a different language.

Re: Apple’s new keyboard feature in iOS 15 is insult to Cantonese speaking community

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Post by jiofih »

> Is this it? Is Apple done pretending to support linguistic diversity?

Calm down, Karen. You just showed us how Apple is shipping custom keyboards to regional dialects in China, and adding support for endangered languages, what is the “pretending” part there.

You can be unhappy with changes without taking a crap on the entire thing. The outrage in this post seems a bit unnecessary and not the kind of dialogue that brings actual change. Why not show some examples of the custom keyboard and the diff input method so people can understand what it’s about? Maybe it helps an Apple employee passing by to champion that.

Re: Apple’s new keyboard feature in iOS 15 is insult to Cantonese speaking community

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Post by raverbashing »

crooked-v wrote: post #31
raverbashing wrote: post #9

Edit 2: ok apparently iOS doesn't support Jyutping out of the box, which seems to be the whole issue here, and with this detail I agree that one shouldn't be more prioritary than having Jyutping first. > Pinyin is a romanization system designed for Mandarin. Why type Cantonese and Shanghainese in Mandarin Pinyin? (Edit: yes it might have to do with political pressure as well) I'm assuming if Apple did this (which is…

> since you write Cantonese and Mandarin with the same alphabet Pinyin is a system designed for Mandarin specifically, while Jyutping[1] is the missing input method for Cantonese. To put it another way, this is like giving a German person an English keyboard and, when they ask you where the umlauts and eszett are, telling them that they don't need that because the English keyboard now has autocomplete support for Ger…

Yes, so my analogy makes sense (see the before the last paragraph in my comment)
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