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Re: Demolishing Soviet Modernism

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I for one will be glad to witness the demise of modern architecture, and a return to human friendliness. I'm tired of being crushed by some grand architect's great ego piece, or "utilitarian" philosophies of living spaces.

I completely agree.

Modern architecture has been such a mistake.

And this has nothing to do with my political views.

In fact it makes me sad that poor folks more commonly have to deal with living in these bland monoliths.

Re: Demolishing Soviet Modernism

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I for one will be glad to witness the demise of modern architecture, and a return to human friendliness. I'm tired of being crushed by some grand architect's great ego piece, or "utilitarian" philosophies of living spaces.

What constitues human friendliness to you? The Memphis School?

One example taken directly from my life is that the exterior of older buildings offer dramatically more shelter from the elements to both passerby and the homeless. Modern buildings will rarely have doorways or awnings to shelter in.

And when they do they are often built to a gigantic scale that is drafty and relatively exposed.

Nooks and crannies vs 90 degrees of flat concrete.

Brick, wood, stone vs stainless steel and glass.

Window sills with moulding you can sit on. That's warm because its made of wood.

Which buildings look closer to a prison?

Re: Demolishing Soviet Modernism

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I can only say I've been to a few cities here and there and nowhere did I feel as overwhelmed by the scale as in Moscow. Many of the cities remained not that high, London or Paris do not have such buildings in their city centers.

> Paris do not have such buildings in their city centers. Because you were lucky enough to avoid the worst parts: - Paris: https://www.google.com/maps/@48.8235336,2.3674101,3a,75y,342... - Marseille: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2890541,5.437606,3a,75y,185.... - Toulouse: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.5804085,1.4105313,3a,75y,287...

That Paris thing is certainly bad, but it looks rather like a backside, which often are not pretty. From the other side the buildings look nicer: https://www.google.com/maps/@48.8230784,2.3662426,3a,75y,136...

Tolouse is not pretty - one of the Corbusier's or Corbusier-inspired crimes, but at least it does not have the scale.

That said even a tall and long building doesn't have to be dramatically bad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falowiec#/media/File:GDANSK,_F...

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> Paris do not have such buildings in their city centers. Because you were lucky enough to avoid the worst parts: - Paris: https://www.google.com/maps/@48.8235336,2.3674101,3a,75y,342... - Marseille: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2890541,5.437606,3a,75y,185.... - Toulouse: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.5804085,1.4105313,3a,75y,287...

That Paris thing is certainly bad, but it looks rather like a backside, which often are not pretty. From the other side the buildings look nicer: https://www.google.com/maps/@48.8230784,2.3662426,3a,75y,136... Tolouse is not pretty - one of the Corbusier's or Corbusier-inspired crimes, but at least it does not have the scale. That said even a tall and long building doesn't have to be dramatically bad https://en.wikip…

> That Paris thing is certainly bad, but it looks rather like a backside

I live in Paris; believe me, the best and the worst are two streets away. There are quarters in the 18th or the 13th that make OPs photo look like a dream.

https://itinerrance.fr/app/uploads/2019/05/head-fresques-bou... https://p1.storage.canalblog.com/11/75/1224518/120815785_o.j... https://www.blackandwood.fr/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Paris...

Now there is a lot of subjectivity here, and to be honest, I'm not fond of the Warsaw building either, so I might be a very poor judge of modern architecture.

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That Paris thing is certainly bad, but it looks rather like a backside, which often are not pretty. From the other side the buildings look nicer: https://www.google.com/maps/@48.8230784,2.3662426,3a,75y,136... Tolouse is not pretty - one of the Corbusier's or Corbusier-inspired crimes, but at least it does not have the scale. That said even a tall and long building doesn't have to be dramatically bad https://en.wikip…

> That Paris thing is certainly bad, but it looks rather like a backside I live in Paris; believe me, the best and the worst are two streets away. There are quarters in the 18th or the 13th that make OPs photo look like a dream. https://itinerrance.fr/app/uploads/2019/05/head-fresques-bou... https://p1.storage.canalblog.com/11/75/1224518/120815785_o.j... https://www.blackandwood.fr/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Paris...…

the second and third photos aren't too bad actually, but first one could indeed have Blade Runners around...

Re: Demolishing Soviet Modernism

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I'm pretty sick of modernism, having grown up in a Canadian city that made heavy use of it in he 50-70s. There are some gems, but mostly it doesn't make for an appealing style when a lot of the office and apartment buildings bet heavily on it. Some of more luxury modernist homes and government buildings are exceptions, but you do have to have a sense of why they're neat, because they otherwise feel very conservative.

I take it you're not a fan of Frank Lloyd Wright then?

Re: Demolishing Soviet Modernism

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I'm pretty sick of modernism, having grown up in a Canadian city that made heavy use of it in he 50-70s. There are some gems, but mostly it doesn't make for an appealing style when a lot of the office and apartment buildings bet heavily on it. Some of more luxury modernist homes and government buildings are exceptions, but you do have to have a sense of why they're neat, because they otherwise feel very conservative.

I take it you're not a fan of Frank Lloyd Wright then?

As a person? Kind of an idiot. As an architect? Most of his stuff predated the stuff I'm thinking of, and most his work is at least interesting to look at, despite apparently being not very well-designed overall. I don't know if you'd necessarily look to him for examples of modernism

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I take it you're not a fan of Frank Lloyd Wright then?

As a person? Kind of an idiot. As an architect? Most of his stuff predated the stuff I'm thinking of, and most his work is at least interesting to look at, despite apparently being not very well-designed overall. I don't know if you'd necessarily look to him for examples of modernism

What kind of modernism were you thinking of? Considering you mentioned Canada, I would think that you dislike Vancouver's skyline in particular.
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