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A robot to replace the need for farmers to go inside the grain bin

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Re: A robot to replace the need for farmers to go inside the grain bin

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post #23

If grain bins are dangerous to go inside, maybe there's a low tech solution like safety lines attached to a belt similar to mountain climbing or high rise construction.

It'd need to be able to pull you out somehow - the danger here is being entrapped and squeezed in the grain, not a fall.

Re: A robot to replace the need for farmers to go inside the grain bin

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This seems like another high tech solution looking for a problem. I'm not heavy agriculture savy but it seems to me the same could be solved by having 2 or 3 archimedes screws on the bin which could keep grain moving over time and preventing it from forming the clods. The bot could also be radio controlled and it would still remove the need of a human going in. Another pet peeve of mine is the robot-as-a-service part…

Considering an auger is already an archimedes screw and it still doesn't stop pockets from forming I don't know if adding more of them would help.

Re: A robot to replace the need for farmers to go inside the grain bin

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This seems like another high tech solution looking for a problem. I'm not heavy agriculture savy but it seems to me the same could be solved by having 2 or 3 archimedes screws on the bin which could keep grain moving over time and preventing it from forming the clods. The bot could also be radio controlled and it would still remove the need of a human going in. Another pet peeve of mine is the robot-as-a-service part…

> The bot could also be radio controlled and it would still remove the need of a human going in.

Yes. And it is radio controlled. To quote the article: "The Grain Weevil is a remote controlled specialized robot [...]" They also plan to make it autonomous but it is not yet.

Re: A robot to replace the need for farmers to go inside the grain bin

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Friendly reminder that people who deal with "unsafe by office worker standards" stuff day in and day out do not shovel money at you without critical thought just because you can portray your product as improving safety. These guys aren't wringing their hands and clutching their pearls over the thought of a dangerous job. They're finding a way to be careful and mitigate the risks of the worst outcomes and then getting…

Not an expert on grain but in general vibration will aerosolize particles (preferentially the smallest ones) and it's amazing what will burn when you aerosolize it as a fine powder.

A Wikipedia article on the subject: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_explosion

Anything even mildly combustible can make a pretty big fireball.

Re: A robot to replace the need for farmers to go inside the grain bin

#36

Friendly reminder that people who deal with "unsafe by office worker standards" stuff day in and day out do not shovel money at you without critical thought just because you can portray your product as improving safety. These guys aren't wringing their hands and clutching their pearls over the thought of a dangerous job. They're finding a way to be careful and mitigate the risks of the worst outcomes and then getting…

Not an expert on grain but in general vibration will aerosolize particles (preferentially the smallest ones) and it's amazing what will burn when you aerosolize it as a fine powder.

Powdered coffee creamer makes impressive fireballs with the distinctive mushroom cloud shape.

Re: A robot to replace the need for farmers to go inside the grain bin

#37

Friendly reminder that people who deal with "unsafe by office worker standards" stuff day in and day out do not shovel money at you without critical thought just because you can portray your product as improving safety. These guys aren't wringing their hands and clutching their pearls over the thought of a dangerous job. They're finding a way to be careful and mitigate the risks of the worst outcomes and then getting…

Preach.

On the internet it's very easy for people to talk themselves into incredibly high standards for anything. But in real life most people are pretty astute at marginal trade-offs between risk and cost.

While it may look like you have a product with no competitors that will save lives, your actual competitor is "being slightly more careful" and it's free and people still aren't buying that. You still have to justify the value.

Re: A robot to replace the need for farmers to go inside the grain bin

#38

Friendly reminder that people who deal with "unsafe by office worker standards" stuff day in and day out do not shovel money at you without critical thought just because you can portray your product as improving safety. These guys aren't wringing their hands and clutching their pearls over the thought of a dangerous job. They're finding a way to be careful and mitigate the risks of the worst outcomes and then getting…

Speaking as someone who knows farmers- they do, in fact, consider going into the silo a dangerous task, because everyone knows some family that had someone die because of it. They do it anyway, because it needs to get done, but they are quite aware of the risk. Everything on a farm has to earn its keep in terms of ROI, and so will this robot. It may or may not be cost effective, and we'll see. But please don't downplay the very real danger, just because some folks have to manage it because of their job.

Re: A robot to replace the need for farmers to go inside the grain bin

#39
post #23

If grain bins are dangerous to go inside, maybe there's a low tech solution like safety lines attached to a belt similar to mountain climbing or high rise construction.

It'd need to be able to pull you out somehow - the danger here is being entrapped and squeezed in the grain, not a fall.

I assume weight is a part of what entraps someone. What if you used bungee cords to reduce your weight? Or had a rip cord you could pull that would yank you out.

Re: A robot to replace the need for farmers to go inside the grain bin

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About 30 people a year are entrapped in grain bins. About half die. Generally, someone goes inside a grain bin only because something has gone wrong. Which is when it's most dangerous.

[1] https://agfax.com/2019/02/18/grain-bins-sudden-death-4-ways-...

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