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How California Homelessness Became a Crisis

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Re: How California Homelessness Became a Crisis

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Whether rent is $1500/ month or $500/ month, I just can't imagine the guy screaming at nobody in particular and swinging a drain pipe at tourists is going to pay for either one of them. This whole attempt to blame raising housing prices for homelessness is absurd.

Housing prices _are_ raising, and homelessness is getting worse, but I think the assertion that it's the primary cause (instead of mental health and substance abuse) is disingenuous.

Re: How California Homelessness Became a Crisis

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Short answer: CA has been underbuilding housing for close to 50 years ( https://techcrunch.com/2014/04/14/sf-housing/ ) and now has a severe housing shortage, to the point where a parodic response, like "California will try absolutely anything to reduce homelessness, except build more housing" ( https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/i-will-do-anything-to-en... ) is the only reasonable one. I've worked on Prop HHH and o…

I don't buy the "just build more" approach. More market rate housing isn't guaranteed to make it affordable, and there is even evidence to suggest otherwise. The principle of induced demand seems to occur here. One way that supply and demand helps the problem is that some move elsewhere for better opportunity.

Re: How California Homelessness Became a Crisis

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There are three kinds of people experiencing homelessness in SF: Drug addicts, who settle in the Bay Area because it is Paradise On Earth for drug addiction. Drugs are cheap and plentiful. Dealers transact unmolested in broad daylight in front of apathetic cops. Needles are provided by the government free of charge. Tents can be pitched on just about any sidewalk. Drug use does not even need to be discreet -- anyone…

I live in the Bay Area and I have multiple friends that are homeless so let me comment here. A lot of the homeless are on disability due to some physical issue that prevents working , or are seniors. The social security checks do not pay the bills and you need an under the table side hustle in the bay to afford a room and be on social security checks. The section 8 waitlist is years long and you have to “scam” yourse…

The interesting thing about your comment is it doesn't actually contradict what I said unless you are claiming your friends represent the majority of those experiencing homelessness. Is that what you're claiming?

Re: How California Homelessness Became a Crisis

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess is the phrasing is meant to de-emphasize the permanency of homelessness - a lot of working class people drift in and out of homelessness. In order to better the situation you need to have it properly understood and analyzed. I think the term "unhoused" had a similar goal but avoided the immediacy of "homeless" and was thus ineffective.

I don’t think this phrasing is the worst progressive “improvement” in language (that award goes to “Latinx”, seriously please stop using this), but it is kind of awkward and the standard is not applied evenly. We don’t say someone is “experiencing hunger”, we say they’re hungry, despite hunger typically being a temporary condition. Edit: your point about the need to understand the background level of housing instabil…

In some romance languages "having hunger" is literally how one expresses that someone is hungry...

Re: How California Homelessness Became a Crisis

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"a Frankenstein's monster created by mating civil libertarianism with austerity."

— UC San Diego sociologist Neil Gong

They manage to name the two contingents that are out of power and have nothing to do with the crisis, libertarians and advocates of austerity, while leaving aside those who created the situation: progressives.

Re: How California Homelessness Became a Crisis

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The issue with any paid approach is that surrounding area will begin dumping the local homeless there. Thats where they can "get the help they need" without the locality they are from paying for it. This is a hard problem that looks like it needs a federal solution.

Re: How California Homelessness Became a Crisis

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Short answer: CA has been underbuilding housing for close to 50 years ( https://techcrunch.com/2014/04/14/sf-housing/ ) and now has a severe housing shortage, to the point where a parodic response, like "California will try absolutely anything to reduce homelessness, except build more housing" ( https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/i-will-do-anything-to-en... ) is the only reasonable one. I've worked on Prop HHH and o…

I find it offensive when people bring up mental illness and drugs as the cause of homelessness in areas where housing is so expensive. Like - are we expecting people who have been on the streets for a year to be able to get off drugs and instantly walk into a job making 45k a year?

Trailer parks get made fun of but they often cost only a few hundred dollars a month so a person can be in and out of work there to either save or as a stop-gap if they are running out of money. There is no option in California for those with no savings and whose problems have caused them to be out of work for awhile - other than rely on the generosity of others and the state.

Re: How California Homelessness Became a Crisis

#38

Short answer: CA has been underbuilding housing for close to 50 years ( https://techcrunch.com/2014/04/14/sf-housing/ ) and now has a severe housing shortage, to the point where a parodic response, like "California will try absolutely anything to reduce homelessness, except build more housing" ( https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/i-will-do-anything-to-en... ) is the only reasonable one. I've worked on Prop HHH and o…

I'm cool with that as long as its greater than 20 miles from my house, says everyone.

Re: How California Homelessness Became a Crisis

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It's crazy to me how expensive it is to live in LA compared with how little i see new construction. The magnitude of the issue really crystalized in my mind when i was talking to a friend who lived in Tokyo, and he mentioned he was paying $900 a month for his flat. It's 40% of what I pay. Housing can't cost this much in cities that people are expected to occupy.

Re: How California Homelessness Became a Crisis

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet we also have a massive under-occupancy in some areas of LA cough Venice Beach cough Mar Vista cough where a lot of homes are owned by corporations for occasional use by traveling employees, people in other countries parking finances here, or people who AirBnB them for 180 days/year. In one block where I was working in Mar Vista, four older homes have been knocked down to build McMansions in the past year. All…

There is not widespread vacancy. Aggregate vacancy rates are at all-time lows statewide. There may be small jurisdictions with exceptional vacancy rates but if you are going to claim them please bring some hard evidence so we can evaluate the claims. In my city NIMBYs are always making shit up about vacant buildings but it never turns out to be objectively true. One of their favorite targets that they always point to…

Like I said, this is anecdotal. I'm anything but a NIMBY, though. I want them to build homeless shelters in my neighborhood. We desperately need affordable housing.
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