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Re: Scottish Café

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Post by varispeed »

Juliusz Schauder - was a Polish mathematician of Jewish origin, known for his work in functional analysis, partial differential equations and mathematical physics.

> He was executed by the Gestapo, probably in October 1943.

Stanisław Saks (30 December 1897 – 23 November 1942) was a Polish mathematician and university tutor, a member of the Lwów School of Mathematics, known primarily for his membership in the Scottish Café circle, an extensive monograph on the theory of integrals, his works on measure theory and the Vitali–Hahn–Saks theorem.

> Arrested in November 1942, he was executed on 23 November 1942 by the German Gestapo in Warsaw.

Thankfully most of them seem to have survived the war. It's a shame that these days people are still into these murderous systems like communism and national socialism. We never learn.

Re: Scottish Café

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Post by yunohn »

varispeed wrote: post #31

Juliusz Schauder - was a Polish mathematician of Jewish origin, known for his work in functional analysis, partial differential equations and mathematical physics. > He was executed by the Gestapo, probably in October 1943. Stanisław Saks (30 December 1897 – 23 November 1942) was a Polish mathematician and university tutor, a member of the Lwów School of Mathematics, known primarily for his membership in the Scottish…

> murderous systems like communism and national socialism

To be fair, democracy is also very murderous. Western countries are constantly killing thousands of civilians abroad in the name of freedom.

* “UN says more civilians killed by allies than insurgents” - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-49165676

* “Costs of War” - https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human

Re: Scottish Café

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Post by gregoriol »

the_local_host wrote: post #3

People back then knew that "hanging out" in a public place was worthwhile. I wish there was a model of public place where you and your pals could buy breakfast+lunch, or lunch+dinner, and occupy the table for the whole time in-between. Bars let you stay for long periods, but after three or four hours everyone ends up hammered, which is a different thing.

You would have to look for places in quieter parts of a city, smaller streets, not high-traffic or touristy. It's actually not that difficult to find these in Paris, place where you can know the owner and hang out (you still pay of course). You have to start slowly, you don't come in the first day, drink a coffee and stay 4 hours with friends, you have to build the relationship with the place: come a few times, begin to know the place, the waiter, the owner, ... and after some time you might be recognised as friend and the place will be a nice spot.

Re: Scottish Café

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Post by amelius »

ido wrote: post #13
the_local_host wrote: post #3

People back then knew that "hanging out" in a public place was worthwhile. I wish there was a model of public place where you and your pals could buy breakfast+lunch, or lunch+dinner, and occupy the table for the whole time in-between. Bars let you stay for long periods, but after three or four hours everyone ends up hammered, which is a different thing.

I'm confused...What you're asking for is a café? There are a lot of places like that.

Yes, but there is this annoying rule that you have to order drinks every once in an unspecified while.

Re: Scottish Café

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Post by NamTaf »

amelius wrote: post #34
ido wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm confused...What you're asking for is a café? There are a lot of places like that.

Yes, but there is this annoying rule that you have to order drinks every once in an unspecified while.

Do you think the patrons of this cafe didn't? I am sure they were expected to provide some degree of patronage for their time there.

Re: Scottish Café

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Post by ido »

amelius wrote: post #34
ido wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm confused...What you're asking for is a café? There are a lot of places like that.

Yes, but there is this annoying rule that you have to order drinks every once in an unspecified while.

In Vienna they will let you sit for hours on a cup of coffee.

Re: Scottish Café

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Post by bainsfather »

Stan Ulam's autobiography - Adventures of a Mathematician - talks a bit about this, from his early days in Lwow. It's a good book about interesting times and interesting people - if this wikipedia article interests you, then maybe the book will also.

Re: Scottish Café

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Post by Kaibeezy »

malcolmstill wrote: post #36
jl6 wrote: post #18

I could find no explanation of why it was called the Scottish café or what the link to Scotland might have been. Any ideas?

It could be related to historic Scotland -> Poland immigration: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_diaspora#Poland

It’s a rich historic connection, especially in academia. More detail here - https://www.scotland.org/features/scotland-and-poland

Re: Scottish Café

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Post by marton78 »

wirrbel wrote: post #25
the_local_host wrote: post #3

People back then knew that "hanging out" in a public place was worthwhile. I wish there was a model of public place where you and your pals could buy breakfast+lunch, or lunch+dinner, and occupy the table for the whole time in-between. Bars let you stay for long periods, but after three or four hours everyone ends up hammered, which is a different thing.

It boils down to economics and custom. A few years ago, travelling in the US we, a group of European exchange students) I remember well how we were after lunch or dinner almost thrown out of restaurants by servers (i.e. brought the bill without having asked for it, etc.). I remember it so well because it really felt rude to me (we were not really hanging around unduly and might at times have ordered a round of desert…

There's many things that seen to have been economically viable a hundred years ago, which would seem crazy today. For example, houses with 4m high roofs, thick, stable walls and stucco.

Or maybe it was economically just as little viable as it is today, but people just didn't think that much about economical viability back in the old days?

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