Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

Post by malwarebytess » Thu, May 27, 2021, 7:09 PM UTC

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #22

tobyjsullivan wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My read is it's just the NHTSA not granting a certification for things it hasn't tested. Ie, "forward collision warning, lane departure warning, crash imminent braking and dynamic brake support" without radar. Tesla will release the new versions (if they haven't already), the NHTSA will test the new models, and they'll grant the "check marks" again. In other words, it's non-news (unless you happen to be planning to b…

> Tesla will release the new versions (if they haven't already), the NHTSA will test the new models, and they'll grant the "check marks" again. Shouldn't this operate in the other direction? Vehicle manufacturer supplies model for testing, regulator either approves it gives manufacturer opportunity to fix then retest?

Post by [deleted] » Thu, May 27, 2021, 7:09 PM UTC

malwarebytess wrote: post #31

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tesla will release the new versions (if they haven't already), the NHTSA will test the new models, and they'll grant the "check marks" again. Shouldn't this operate in the other direction? Vehicle manufacturer supplies model for testing, regulator either approves it gives manufacturer opportunity to fix then retest?

Pretty sure it's not a requirement for vehicles to have these safety features to go to market. So from Tesla's perspective this is better that delaying their product that they think is equivalent (though in my mind they're taking a risk.)

Post by bosswipe » Thu, May 27, 2021, 7:10 PM UTC

Post by [deleted] » Thu, May 27, 2021, 7:12 PM UTC

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #15

TameAntelope wrote: post #3

I'm having trouble figuring out if this is just another battle in Elon's War with Regulators, if this is NHTSA being too slow to keep up with evolving technology, or if Teslas without radar are actually worse, deserving the loss of these designations. Or what the mix is of all three of those things, I guess.

NHTSA tested Tesla cars that had radar modules. Tesla has decided to remove the radar modules and use only vision systems. The new vision-only models are not NHTSA certified yet, so the NHTSA had to clarify that the safety certification only applies to vehicles shipped before the vision-only transition. That is, any vehicle with radar is still certified, but the new vehicles will apparently ship untested.

Post by BoorishBears » Thu, May 27, 2021, 7:13 PM UTC

headmelted wrote: post #26

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NHTSA tested Tesla cars that had radar modules. Tesla has decided to remove the radar modules and use only vision systems. The new vision-only models are not NHTSA certified yet, so the NHTSA had to clarify that the safety certification only applies to vehicles shipped before the vision-only transition. That is, any vehicle with radar is still certified, but the new vehicles will apparently ship untested.

It sounds from reading the article like existing cars with the radar are also losing the features though, to be replaced by camera-based solutions? (I assume to keep consistent with newer models on the road without the radar). I may be reading it wrong - happy to be corrected.