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Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by Kranar »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #15

It's incredible that a company as irresponsible as Tesla is allowed to operate vehicles on public roadways. "Well, we dropped a bunch of safety features, we're going to try to add them back via software update in the near future" is not the behavior of a company that should be entrusted with public safety. Combine this with the fact that this is a choice to deliberately cripple the vehicle by removing a standard driv…

Claiming that Tesla is an irresponsible company is pretty strong in the absence of evidence. Do you have evidence that I can review to see in what ways Tesla vehicles are more dangerous than other vehicles?

From what I can find Tesla vehicles are significantly safer in terms of accidents per mile, deaths per mile, and they have the highest safety rating of any vehicle.

Of course I could be misled and you have evidence that suggests that Tesla's are not only more dangerous, but that the company releases vehicles so dangerous and irresponsible that it should not be in any way trusted.

I'd like to see how you came to that conclusion.

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by sfblah »

blakesterz wrote: post #4

..."Instead, these will be the first Tesla vehicles to rely on camera vision and neural net processing to deliver Autopilot, Full-Self Driving and certain active safety features."... I only 1/2 follow Tesla stuff, but why are they still saying "Full-Self Driving" here? Aren't they asking for trouble? I'm referring to this: https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/7/22424592/tesla-elon-musk-a...

I was talking to a lawyer friend about this the other day. I was curious where the lines really are in terms of false advertising and misleading consumers. I know, for example, that part of the case against the tobacco companies was that they misled consumers about the risks of things like "light" cigarettes.

Anyway, he just shrugged his shoulders and said, "Elon Musk."

I really hope we move back away from having a set of people who aren't subject to the same rules as everyone else. I realize that life has always been like that to some extent, but it seems worse these days than in the (recent) past.

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by sxp »

AlexandrB wrote: post #5

> Instead, these will be the first Tesla vehicles to rely on camera vision and neural net processing to deliver Autopilot, Full-Self Driving and certain active safety features. Tesla's marketing is... misleading. "Full-Self Driving" sounds like the car is fully capable of driving itself when it does nothing of the sort. I can see why some drivers assume it's more capable than it is. "Autopilot" was bad enough. What i…

You can see the details at https://www.tesla.com/models/design#overview:

>Basic Autopilot ...Included with every new Tesla, Autopilot enables your car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically for other vehicles and pedestrians within its lane. There to assist with the most burdensome parts of driving, Autopilot works alongside features like emergency braking, collision warning and blind-spot monitoring.

> Full Self-Driving Capability $10,000...The currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous. The activation and use of these features are dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions. As these self-driving features evolve, your car will be continuously upgraded through over-the-air software updates.

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by joe_the_user »

pavlov wrote: post #28
AlexandrB wrote: post #5

> Instead, these will be the first Tesla vehicles to rely on camera vision and neural net processing to deliver Autopilot, Full-Self Driving and certain active safety features. Tesla's marketing is... misleading. "Full-Self Driving" sounds like the car is fully capable of driving itself when it does nothing of the sort. I can see why some drivers assume it's more capable than it is. "Autopilot" was bad enough. What i…

Tesla calls this feature "Full Self-Driving Capability" and pretends that the word "capability" is understood to mean it could eventually be capable of it, somehow. It's like if Apple were selling a smartphone with 80 Megapixel Photo Capability, and the fine print reads: "Devices equipped with 80MP Photo Capability do not have an 80MP sensor. The capability refers to the hardware's ability to potentially upscale imag…

The "capable" weasel word is pretty deceptive. But the sad thing is that these weasel word are becoming just common and standard enough that I, someone who sort of studies this stuff, can understand them and warn friends that "X capable" mean less than X. And that situation gives the marketers some amount of push back - "see everyone knows X capable isn't X".

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by baby »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #15

It's incredible that a company as irresponsible as Tesla is allowed to operate vehicles on public roadways. "Well, we dropped a bunch of safety features, we're going to try to add them back via software update in the near future" is not the behavior of a company that should be entrusted with public safety. Combine this with the fact that this is a choice to deliberately cripple the vehicle by removing a standard driv…

Someone is against the future here.

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by dzader »

notsureaboutpg wrote: post #24
wolpoli wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A self-driving car is defined as "a vehicle that is capable of sensing its environment and moving safely with little or no human input" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-driving_car , but Tesla's Full Self-Driving feature actually requires human input. This is confusing.

Yes, Tesla's "Full Self-Driving" is not autonomous enough to operate without you paying attention to the road at all times. But they advertise it as if you can sleep in the driver's seat (I think they literally have said that in the past).

lol they absolutely do not. where do you get this stuff?

Re: Transitioning to Tesla Vision

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Post by _Microft »

rmason wrote: post #33

Tesla is eliminating radar. Yet at the same time they're testing with LIDAR which Musk once famously called 'a fools errand'. https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/24/22451404/tesla-luminar-li...

From what I read, Tesla uses these to collect ground truth information for training their camera-based system.
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