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Trabant: The East German car remains iconic

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Re: Trabant: The East German car remains iconic

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My father worked at Volkswagen when the Berlin wall fell. Volkswagen considered a cooperation with Sachsenring (the producer of the Trabant cars) and my father's team had the task to find ways to keep the production of the Trabant running until a line for a new car could be set up at the Factory in Zwickau. They held a competition for artists to style the Trabant's body so it could become something like a lifestyle car. My father asked me about the opinion on the designs and I remember that some were quite cute, but not enough to make that outdated car attractive for buyers.

Anyway, it was soon decided that the technology of the Trabant was already so far behind that nobody wanted to buy the Trabant anymore and keeping up the production made no sense economically or ecologically. But I can assure you, they tried and Volkswagen's top management actually was a little bit idealistic about this.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> governmental politicians Does “politician” just mean “person who makes decisions for reasons I don't like” to you? Politicians can also make good decisions.

I am envious of the fact that you live in a world where politicians make good decisions.

I can't seriously engage with someone who believes politics never results in anything positive.

Re: Trabant: The East German car remains iconic

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I'm Hungarian, born in '81, so I grew up around Trabis, Wartburgs, Skodas, Moskvitch, Ladas. My mom's first car was a Trabant. At some point in the 80s we moved to W-Germany for a few years and we took the Trabant, it was not a good look (we were living in Boeblingen, near Stuttgart, location of the Porsche HQ). The magic of social and geographic mobility and the tech boom: today, 30 years later, I live in Dubai, whe…

I grew up in East Germany, but i don't have any kind words to say about the Trabant; a small two-stroke engine (all East German engines were two stroke engines) that was quite bad to the environment (and to the poor guys who were frequently sick with some kind of asthma), what's so cool about that? (and the Chassis was made of pressed papier-mache, not even plastic; i have never seen one burning, but it would have be…

I have seen one burning. On a hillside in (then) Czechoslovakia. The trabi overheated, then caught flame. Drivers got out, but the car was standing there, burning. We could not back up, because of a line of cars, trucks buses behind us who all were stuck on the very windy road.

Indeed it burned "like a match", with thick black smoke. When the breaks burned through it rolled downhill, towards us, scary AF. Luckily it did not hit us nor the car in front of us, but passed a few meters and ended in a ditch, below the road. Where it exploded: almost like in the movies; just more black smoke. No-one was hurt.

I was 12 or 13, but I remember the burning trabi like it was yesterday. I can almost feel the heat and smell the burning plastic, when I think of it.

Re: Trabant: The East German car remains iconic

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post #9

I'm Hungarian, born in '81, so I grew up around Trabis, Wartburgs, Skodas, Moskvitch, Ladas. My mom's first car was a Trabant. At some point in the 80s we moved to W-Germany for a few years and we took the Trabant, it was not a good look (we were living in Boeblingen, near Stuttgart, location of the Porsche HQ). The magic of social and geographic mobility and the tech boom: today, 30 years later, I live in Dubai, whe…

I grew up in East Germany, but i don't have any kind words to say about the Trabant; a small two-stroke engine (all East German engines were two stroke engines) that was quite bad to the environment (and to the poor guys who were frequently sick with some kind of asthma), what's so cool about that? (and the Chassis was made of pressed papier-mache, not even plastic; i have never seen one burning, but it would have be…

I’ve seen one burning in the early nineties, it was abandoned and me and some friends lit it on fire… the paint bubbled up in some unhealthy ways on those paper parts. We pissed on it to put it out, be we failed. Got out there with our bikes pretty quick and later it was put out by the local fire brigade. :)

Re: Trabant: The East German car remains iconic

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post #9

I'm Hungarian, born in '81, so I grew up around Trabis, Wartburgs, Skodas, Moskvitch, Ladas. My mom's first car was a Trabant. At some point in the 80s we moved to W-Germany for a few years and we took the Trabant, it was not a good look (we were living in Boeblingen, near Stuttgart, location of the Porsche HQ). The magic of social and geographic mobility and the tech boom: today, 30 years later, I live in Dubai, whe…

I grew up in East Germany, but i don't have any kind words to say about the Trabant; a small two-stroke engine (all East German engines were two stroke engines) that was quite bad to the environment (and to the poor guys who were frequently sick with some kind of asthma), what's so cool about that? (and the Chassis was made of pressed papier-mache, not even plastic; i have never seen one burning, but it would have be…

The body panels are neither plain plastic nor paper-based, but more akin to Bakelite:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duroplast

The cardboard thing was more like a joke because (I guess) when banging against the panels it sounded like a cardboard box :)

Re: Trabant: The East German car remains iconic

#36

The photo gallery shows the boring Wartburg 353 with typical East German "non-design", but East German engineers could also build beautiful cars, at least in the early days: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wartburg_313

The 313 is sitting in some kind of uncanny valley for me. It’s close enough to good looking that the oddities really stand out.

Re: Trabant: The East German car remains iconic

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The photo gallery shows the boring Wartburg 353 with typical East German "non-design", but East German engineers could also build beautiful cars, at least in the early days: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wartburg_313

The 313 is sitting in some kind of uncanny valley for me. It’s close enough to good looking that the oddities really stand out.

True, I guess that's mainly because it had to share parts with the 311 model. Still it's by far the most elegant car made in East Germany.

For a really odd looking car, check out the Melkus ;)

It actually looks great here in the photos, but in reality some things look very odd (also because it was a bit like a Frankenstein car, using parts from regular East German cars):

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melkus_RS_1000

Re: Trabant: The East German car remains iconic

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I grew up in East Germany, but i don't have any kind words to say about the Trabant; a small two-stroke engine (all East German engines were two stroke engines) that was quite bad to the environment (and to the poor guys who were frequently sick with some kind of asthma), what's so cool about that? (and the Chassis was made of pressed papier-mache, not even plastic; i have never seen one burning, but it would have be…

The body panels are neither plain plastic nor paper-based, but more akin to Bakelite: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duroplast The cardboard thing was more like a joke because (I guess) when banging against the panels it sounded like a cardboard box :)

Another popular name for the Trabant was 'Rennpappe' - 'racing cardboard'; but you are right, i mixed things up a bit.
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