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Re: Apple employees call for company to support Palestinians in internal letter

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Heh. Just wait till they get wind of XinJiang or labor conditions in Foxconn factories and see how the management responds to those concerns... oh, nevermind. We’ve known that for years but that must okay to activists since silence is violence and I haven’t heard peep.

And nothing about the ongoing Uyghur genocide. So you know these activists are not sincere actors. It's about flexing political or tribal power and signaling to other tribal members.

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Heh. Just wait till they get wind of XinJiang or labor conditions in Foxconn factories and see how the management responds to those concerns... oh, nevermind. We’ve known that for years but that must okay to activists since silence is violence and I haven’t heard peep.

It's amusing that people never seem to get excited about India and Pakistan's fight over Kashmir (and Apple has employees in India), England and Ireland's fight over Northern Ireland (again, Apple has a presence in Ireland) or other violent land disputes around the world where their company does business. And the civil wars in Sudan (Apple gets some "3TG" materials from there), and civil rights abuses in China.

Re: Apple employees call for company to support Palestinians in internal letter

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's called disinvestment and it's not a new concept. For instance in years past, activists called upon companies to disinvest from apartheid South Africa. Among those activists was a man you may have heard of, Barack Obama.

There's the boycott, divestment, and sanctions movement [1]. A number of states in the US have passed laws or issued executive orders targeting participation in that movement [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott,_Divestment_and_Sancti... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws

Doing the right thing isn't always easy, or legal.

Re: Apple employees call for company to support Palestinians in internal letter

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These people are nuts if they think Apple is going to put out an official statement saying that Israel is illegally occupying Palestine.

In their letter they dismiss the notion that the issue is complex and can't be boiled down to the company simply saying "we support X" or "Y is in the right here", but that's exactly what it is. A consumer electronics company cannot be expected to make sense of and take sides in a centuries-long religious and geopolitical conflict.

Re: Apple employees call for company to support Palestinians in internal letter

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The same Apple employees who got a petition together to get a Jewish employee, Anthony Garcia Martinez, who is unashamed of his support of Israel, fired? (I'll bet you wondered why he wasn't given consideration as a "latinx" employee. It's because he's Jewish.) As Martinez said to Apple, "This will be your life now every week." https://twitter.com/antoniogm/status/1395515386402021377 I still use an iPhone. I'm going…

This is kind of a non-sequitur. Jewish people are allowed to have weird gender-based opinions and get fired for them too, just like everyone else. I don't really have a strong opinion on the overall actions by Apple, but people being offended by this quote is orthogonal to what ethnicity he is:

> Most women in the Bay Area are soft and weak, cosseted and naive despite their claims of worldliness, and generally full of shit

Re: Apple employees call for company to support Palestinians in internal letter

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Heh. Just wait till they get wind of XinJiang or labor conditions in Foxconn factories and see how the management responds to those concerns... oh, nevermind. We’ve known that for years but that must okay to activists since silence is violence and I haven’t heard peep.

It's amusing that people never seem to get excited about India and Pakistan's fight over Kashmir (and Apple has employees in India), England and Ireland's fight over Northern Ireland (again, Apple has a presence in Ireland) or other violent land disputes around the world where their company does business. And the civil wars in Sudan (Apple gets some "3TG" materials from there), and civil rights abuses in China.

Exactly. It’s not sincere and it’s about politicking and acting like the savior in armor for whomever is the righteous cause today.

There are wars and abuse in North Africa, but they could give a rat’s ass because it’s not in their conscience at the moment or the enemy is not a convenient enemy they can despise.

Re: Apple employees call for company to support Palestinians in internal letter

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The same Apple employees who got a petition together to get a Jewish employee, Anthony Garcia Martinez, who is unashamed of his support of Israel, fired? (I'll bet you wondered why he wasn't given consideration as a "latinx" employee. It's because he's Jewish.) As Martinez said to Apple, "This will be your life now every week." https://twitter.com/antoniogm/status/1395515386402021377 I still use an iPhone. I'm going…

This is kind of a non-sequitur. Jewish people are allowed to have weird gender-based opinions and get fired for them too, just like everyone else. I don't really have a strong opinion on the overall actions by Apple, but people being offended by this quote is orthogonal to what ethnicity he is: > Most women in the Bay Area are soft and weak, cosseted and naive despite their claims of worldliness, and generally full o…

I like the word “allowed”, but who is doing the alllowing?

Re: Apple employees call for company to support Palestinians in internal letter

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a statement from a big corporation, though. This is a statement from employees of the big corporation (presumably all of whom feel comfortable leaving on a moment's notice) to the corporation. Companies have long known that making your customers happy involves retaining skilled employees, and that incurring extra costs to keep skilled employees happy is worthwhile for the business. Sometimes that involves…

Boycotting any nation is a political statement. Doesn't matter if it was employee pressure or not, it's still political.

I agree that it would be a political statement (if the statement gets made), but I also think there's a meaningful difference between "We are making this choice because we believe it to be the right choice" and "We are making this choice because of market pressures."

When, say, GitHub decides to have their place of business in the US and to subject themselves to US embargoes and therefore bans users in Iran, that's certainly a political statement. But if they say "We were forced to ban users in Iran, because we've decided it's net good for business to be subject to US law and the US does not like Iran," people interpret that as a pretty different political statement from GitHub spontaneously banning users in Iran because they themselves don't like Iran.

Re: Apple employees call for company to support Palestinians in internal letter

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post #34

These people are nuts if they think Apple is going to put out an official statement saying that Israel is illegally occupying Palestine. In their letter they dismiss the notion that the issue is complex and can't be boiled down to the company simply saying "we support X" or "Y is in the right here", but that's exactly what it is. A consumer electronics company cannot be expected to make sense of and take sides in a c…

Personally, I think it's important to encourage corporations to take human rights into greater consideration. Complex as the issue is, it still results in Apple enriching itself and a nation which could reasonably be considered an apartheid state, by doing business there. In my view, that gives them at least some responsibility to speak out against human rights violations by states hosting economies in which they participate, if not to stop doing business there entirely...
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