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India's holiest river Ganges is swollen with Covid victims

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Re: India's holiest river Ganges is swollen with Covid victims

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FWIW, even in normal times it's fairly common to "bury" dead people by putting them in Ganges. (Cremation is preferred, but can be prohibitively expensive for the poor.) Varanasi in particular is notorious for this. For avoidance of doubt, it's clear that situation right now is much worse than usual, but it's also not quite as unusual as if we had bodies floating down (say) the Hudson or Thames.

It is not common on this scale. 2 to 3 magnitude more bodies are floating in rivers. So while 1 body in 15 days is 'common' it is not same as 15 bodies a day.

Re: India's holiest river Ganges is swollen with Covid victims

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The number of fatalities is 10x-100x more than what is published officially. Most people died at homes due to them being rural and all hospitals working at capacity. At government hospitals, you have to be tested and be covid positive to be listed as covid death. Private hospitals in rural areas simply don't send the stats back. I don't know any family in India that didn't have a death among their relatives. They sai…

Also, India had the world's largest protests by farmers protesting against removal of subsidies. https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/06/opinions/india-farmer-protest... > The number of fatalities is 10x-100x more than what is published Source?

I'm just trying to understand how insensitive it is to comment on a thread where OP is clearly someone who has either suffered loss or has an entire network suffering loss, and then go full strong systemiser and ask for a reference.

The absurdity of asking is even stronger when almost any understanding of the situation on the ground in India would mean an understanding that there is widespread and systemic problems with data collection in India, essentially as there has been throughout the pandemic globally, reflecting the difficulty of determining infection rates, CFR vs IFR and deaths in a testing scarcity environment. I don't know for sure but I would anticipate that there is a good chance that many indian deaths are never registered which would make other post pandemic methods of determining true 'excess mortality' very difficult.

The particular irony in this whole post extending from your question being that the BBC itself, in the linked article, in the second paragraph, states that 'experts say the real death toll is several times higher'.

Now that isn't your 1-2 magnitudes but you don't have to travel far from there to get those types of sources, but depending on how strong-systemiser you go on requiring hard numbers, the fact is no-one will ever know because no one is counting

Re: India's holiest river Ganges is swollen with Covid victims

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The number of fatalities is 10x-100x more than what is published officially. Most people died at homes due to them being rural and all hospitals working at capacity. At government hospitals, you have to be tested and be covid positive to be listed as covid death. Private hospitals in rural areas simply don't send the stats back. I don't know any family in India that didn't have a death among their relatives. They sai…

I'm sorry to hear that. The number of cases has been difficult to compare between countries since everyone measures differently but the number of deaths are in many countries extremely accurate and even though it differs a bit each year it still gives a good measure of how bad it is.

Do you know if this is reported and compiled accurate in India?

Re: India's holiest river Ganges is swollen with Covid victims

#34

The number of fatalities is 10x-100x more than what is published officially. Most people died at homes due to them being rural and all hospitals working at capacity. At government hospitals, you have to be tested and be covid positive to be listed as covid death. Private hospitals in rural areas simply don't send the stats back. I don't know any family in India that didn't have a death among their relatives. They sai…

>fatalities is 10x-100x more than what is published officially Source please. >you have to be tested and be covid positive to be listed as covid death. You do realize that's the correct way right? Everywhere it's done the same way. >All his political life, him and his supporters cried for statues and temples and now they stand on the ashes of million dead people and all they can hear is a deafening silence of their g…

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/24/indias-covid-d...

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/24/world/asia/india-coronavi...

I know around 14 people that died of covid. None of them were listed in the covid deaths.

>logic has left the chat

Instead of resorting to silly childish taunts, I would appreciate you refute my sentence of why building statues and temples was more necessary than building hospitals or schools?

Especially when run by grandiose idiots like this who want to convert nitrogen to oxygen https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/yogi-explor...

Re: India's holiest river Ganges is swollen with Covid victims

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, India had the world's largest protests by farmers protesting against removal of subsidies. https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/06/opinions/india-farmer-protest... > The number of fatalities is 10x-100x more than what is published Source?

I'm just trying to understand how insensitive it is to comment on a thread where OP is clearly someone who has either suffered loss or has an entire network suffering loss, and then go full strong systemiser and ask for a reference. The absurdity of asking is even stronger when almost any understanding of the situation on the ground in India would mean an understanding that there is widespread and systemic problems w…

A lot of comments that appear neutral here are actually political btw. Saying that deaths are undercounted or citing foreign media is seen as "anti national" now within India.

Re: India's holiest river Ganges is swollen with Covid victims

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The number of fatalities is 10x-100x more than what is published officially. Most people died at homes due to them being rural and all hospitals working at capacity. At government hospitals, you have to be tested and be covid positive to be listed as covid death. Private hospitals in rural areas simply don't send the stats back. I don't know any family in India that didn't have a death among their relatives. They sai…

>fatalities is 10x-100x more than what is published officially Source please. >you have to be tested and be covid positive to be listed as covid death. You do realize that's the correct way right? Everywhere it's done the same way. >All his political life, him and his supporters cried for statues and temples and now they stand on the ashes of million dead people and all they can hear is a deafening silence of their g…

> You do realize that's the correct way right?

> Everywhere it's done the same way.

Neither statement us true. Belgium infamously had a really bad covid death toll because they decided early on to attribute unknown causes to covid.

Then the excess mortality numbers came in and every country had a ton of mysterious and unexplained excess mortality (you know, rampant covid)… except Belgium where the numbers tracked.

Re: India's holiest river Ganges is swollen with Covid victims

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, India had the world's largest protests by farmers protesting against removal of subsidies. https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/06/opinions/india-farmer-protest... > The number of fatalities is 10x-100x more than what is published Source?

I'm just trying to understand how insensitive it is to comment on a thread where OP is clearly someone who has either suffered loss or has an entire network suffering loss, and then go full strong systemiser and ask for a reference. The absurdity of asking is even stronger when almost any understanding of the situation on the ground in India would mean an understanding that there is widespread and systemic problems w…

What do feeling have to do with facts. COVID has at most 1% mortality rate. It hasn't been shown to significantly increase yearly mortality rate. About the same number of people are dying as every year. The Ganges is a large river. The claim is a hyperbolic exaggeration.

Re: India's holiest river Ganges is swollen with Covid victims

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>fatalities is 10x-100x more than what is published officially Source please. >you have to be tested and be covid positive to be listed as covid death. You do realize that's the correct way right? Everywhere it's done the same way. >All his political life, him and his supporters cried for statues and temples and now they stand on the ashes of million dead people and all they can hear is a deafening silence of their g…

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/24/indias-covid-d... https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/24/world/asia/india-coronavi... I know around 14 people that died of covid. None of them were listed in the covid deaths. >logic has left the chat Instead of resorting to silly childish taunts, I would appreciate you refute my sentence of why building statues and temples was more necessary than building hospitals or school…

>I know around 14 people that died of covid. None of them were listed in the covid deaths.

And you're going to compare 1.4bi people based on 100 people you interact with? Confirmation bias I'd say, numbers are higher but stating, yolo, 10x-100x is nothing but a Yellow Press comment.

>Instead of resorting to silly childish taunt

Says the person who jumps the gun trying to sound dramatic instead of any solid numbers to back their claim, all stating, "Maybe".

>why building statues and temples was more necessary than building hospitals or schools?

Ever heard of tourism? You can't run a country just by spending money, you need to spend money to earn money in long term too.

Re: India's holiest river Ganges is swollen with Covid victims

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Whatever you do, do not donate to the PM Cares Fund. It's transaction is supposed to be open to the public, but it is not. Requests made to Right To Information Act was denied every time. So please stay away from it. Here are some suggestions- 1. Gunj - active in very rural and remote areas 2. Akshaya Patra - currently involved in feeding the poorest of the poor 3. Ramakrishna Mission - Religious organization but hon…

Thanks for the list. Its just me, but I would stay away from political or religious funds.

I am irreligious and athiest. But I still trust Ramakrishna Mission and I think you can specify that you don't want your money spent on religious activities.

[0]: https://www.telegraphindia.com/west-bengal/calcutta/ramakris...

[1]: https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/national/hero-moto...

[2]: https://theshillongtimes.com/2021/05/20/rkm-sohra-endeavours...

[3]: https://m.timesofindia.com/city/kolkata/60-bed-safe-home-set...

[4]: https://m.timesofindia.com/city/visakhapatnam/ramakrishna-mi...

Just so you know, Akshaya Patra is also part of ISKCON, the Harekrishna people in the US. They are headquartered not far from my home, and they are trustable in this regard.

Re: India's holiest river Ganges is swollen with Covid victims

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The number of fatalities is 10x-100x more than what is published officially. Most people died at homes due to them being rural and all hospitals working at capacity. At government hospitals, you have to be tested and be covid positive to be listed as covid death. Private hospitals in rural areas simply don't send the stats back. I don't know any family in India that didn't have a death among their relatives. They sai…

The situation is quite sad, and I am happy you and your family are fine as you mentioned in your other comment. I am quite sure you can do without spreading FUD here though. If you have data to back up the 10-100x claim, please share it. There has been undercounting in most countries and India having largely poor infra you would expect it to be higher there. The data has been analysed by a lot of experts and most are…

The global death toll is 2-3x than listed not for India.
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