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Re: Why Israel and Palestine are fighting

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Post by runarberg » Tue, May 18, 2021, 10:48 AM UTC

joelbluminator wrote: post #28

runarberg wrote: post #22

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No, Annexation is apart from the single state solution. The gist of the single state solution is that there will be one state (lets call it Israel-Palestine for this purpose) with a new constitution. One benefit of the one state solution is the fact that resettlements of west-bank Israelis can be avoided. Of course that might mean that the current settlements which are illegal under international law will not be answ…

I think even countries like the U.S are having a problem maintaining their democracy, how does an Israel Palestine work? Half of Palestinian or more support Hamas, in Israel the numbers of orthodox and ultra right jews is growing. Constitutions mean something in Denmark, not in the Middle East.

I don’t think you mean to sound racist, but a statement like “constitutions mean nothing in the Middle East” sure does make you look racist. It sounds like you are stating that your country needs to be of European origin to have a constitutional democracy. You know very well that that is not true.

Re: Why Israel and Palestine are fighting

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Post by joelbluminator » Tue, May 18, 2021, 7:46 PM UTC

runarberg wrote: post #31

joelbluminator wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think even countries like the U.S are having a problem maintaining their democracy, how does an Israel Palestine work? Half of Palestinian or more support Hamas, in Israel the numbers of orthodox and ultra right jews is growing. Constitutions mean something in Denmark, not in the Middle East.

I don’t think you mean to sound racist, but a statement like “constitutions mean nothing in the Middle East” sure does make you look racist. It sounds like you are stating that your country needs to be of European origin to have a constitutional democracy. You know very well that that is not true.

There is literally not a single democracy in the middle east, not one. If you wanna call me racist (is middle east a race?) for saying something glaringly obvious go ahead. Btw some people simply look down on democracy, like China. They truly believe they have a better system. So its not for everyone, definitely not in the middle east.

Re: Why Israel and Palestine are fighting

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Post by runarberg » Tue, May 18, 2021, 9:52 PM UTC

joelbluminator wrote: post #32

runarberg wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think you mean to sound racist, but a statement like “constitutions mean nothing in the Middle East” sure does make you look racist. It sounds like you are stating that your country needs to be of European origin to have a constitutional democracy. You know very well that that is not true.

There is literally not a single democracy in the middle east, not one. If you wanna call me racist (is middle east a race?) for saying something glaringly obvious go ahead. Btw some people simply look down on democracy, like China. They truly believe they have a better system. So its not for everyone, definitely not in the middle east.

Depending on where you draw the line for middle east, and what counts as a democracy Turkey, Lebanon, Israel, Palestine, Jordan, Yemen, Iraq, Kurdish autonomous regions, Afghanistan, and more have currently (or in recent history) had democracies. Those that have had democracy and lost it have done so usually because of foreign influence and wars (e.g. Afghanistan), although some have gained it because of wars (Kurdish autonomous regions). Now none of these might count as a true democracy in your books, and that is fine, but it is far from obvious.

I don’t think it is fair to generalize over such a vast region by making grand statements like “they truly believe...”. In fact most Kurdish autonomous regions were pretty quick to adopt democracy as their system of choise after they liberated them self from the Islamic State terrorist group during the Syrian civil war. And popular pro-democracy uprisings in Yemen would suggest counter to your statement.