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Chiropractors are bullshit

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Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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post #23

This article is full of weak proof and elitism. If one is to go back to the 1900s to critize how the practice is formed one must remember the state of medicine. He references this but only to cast a negative light chiropractors by linking them to a time when medicine practices lack the scientific base we have now. This statement? "Who the hell peddles (real) medicine out of a kiosk" It is so elitist it out of touch.…

I don't think labelling the argument as elitist really addresses the issue.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

#32

Chiropractors frustrate me because they tend to treat symptoms - not root causes. You can get 'adjusted' a million times but if you have a muscle imbalance or perpetual tightness that is pulling something out alignment you will always fall back into that state. For instance, if you sit for hours in the same funny position on your couch every night. Or if you tend to sit on one leg constantly. Or if you sleep in the s…

> look at my entire musculoskeletal system in order identify the specific areas that need work

a Physiotherapist does that. Ok, they won't look at the "entire muscle-skeletal system" but the low-hanging fruit is usually obvious to them.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

#33
post #11

I come from a long lineage of chiropractors (although I’m not one). I’ve never been a big believer in the practice, and yes there are very rare cases where a chiropractic adjustment can lead to a stroke but again, it’s extremely rare. (Perhaps less rare if you’re going to the guy at the mall kiosk..) I’d like to see some scientific studies proving chiropractic adjustments are harmful. A lot of physical and mental hea…

> I’d like to see some scientific studies proving chiropractic adjustments are harmful.

This is really not at all how science works. On the contrary, chiropractors should be able to prove that their methods work to a community of extremely skeptical scientists, using double-blind tests as is standard practice.

At the end, it is likely mostly harmless, just like homeopathy. It may be even positive, in that receiving regular soothing attention from a bullshitter may have a good effect on your mental health (unless it is used as a replacement for real medical care when there are serious issues).

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

#34

Some anecdotal evidence: I went to a chiropractor when I was first starting out as a programmer because the base of my neck was in a lot of pain from staring at the monitor. I didn’t get the whole “adjustment“ thing but putting me on a tens unit with a hot compress really did the trick.

A lot of what chiros do now is basic physical therapy. When used in conjunction with typical chiro manipulation, it’s quite helpful for the aches and pains of life.

That’s why I hesitate to completely agree with an article like this. I’ll be the first to admit chiropractic limitations. However, there are real benefits when used appropriately. The problem is when the chiropractors get out over there skis, and start talking about solving all of the bodies problems through alignment alignment of the spine.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

#35

The historic scientific basis for chiropractors is total BS. The idea that everything stems from the spine, and if you get the spine and alignment, everything else will follow. Literally, a belief that you could, for example, cure cancer, by aligning the spine. That’s no better than energy healing, and the idea that you have energy flows that get interrupted and need to be corrected by using a certain crystal. Having…

I dont want to be the devils advocate. Usually in those cases you would be better consulting another doctor, just in case.

Doctors are also human.

I had a friend who had eye problems suddenly, and the first doctor told him that he would become blind in some more years. Then he told him to put some eyedrops to ease pain meanwhile.

He was devastated. Imagine being in your 18s and then become blind...

Then, he went to another doctor because the eyedrops werent very effective. That new doctor saw again his symptoms and told him that "it was just an hormonal thing, it will be no more when it stabilizes with adult developtment" and gave him more appropiate eyedrops.

Since then he has good health.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

#36
A reminder that the national organisation in the UK tried disastrously to censor articles like this through the libel laws:

https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Chiropractic_Associat...

The author they tried to bankrupt was Simon Singh, author of Fermat's Last Theorem.

https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Singh

A "furious backlash" to the lawsuit resulted in the filing of formal complaints of false advertising against more than 500 individual chiropractors within one 24-hour period, with one national chiropractic organisation ordering its members to take down their websites, and Nature Medicine noting that the case had gathered wide support for Singh, as well as prompting calls for the reform of English libel laws

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

#37
post #7

Chiropractors frustrate me because they tend to treat symptoms - not root causes. You can get 'adjusted' a million times but if you have a muscle imbalance or perpetual tightness that is pulling something out alignment you will always fall back into that state. For instance, if you sit for hours in the same funny position on your couch every night. Or if you tend to sit on one leg constantly. Or if you sleep in the s…

Dealing with this shit right now with muscle imbalances in my back on one side, chiro obviously didn't help more than 30 minutes after a session so I dropped it. Physio is a little better but it still feels very symptomatic in approach. Gonna' see if I get get an MRI scan in a third world country because nobody will afford you one in the West if it's just a wee pain with 'no cause.'

You may want to try the trigger point therapy workbook. It's basically a guide for massaging yourself effectively.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

#38
post #27

The historic scientific basis for chiropractors is total BS. The idea that everything stems from the spine, and if you get the spine and alignment, everything else will follow. Literally, a belief that you could, for example, cure cancer, by aligning the spine. That’s no better than energy healing, and the idea that you have energy flows that get interrupted and need to be corrected by using a certain crystal. Having…

> Literally, a belief that you could, for example, cure cancer, by aligning the spine. I can assure you that 99% of chiropractors would never claim that they can cure cancer.

I agree. But the original basis for chiropractic care would make claims like this. They would blame the cancer on spinal issues. And that’s what I’m saying is bogus. I agree that most chiros now would not say that because it’s ludicrous.

Re: Chiropractors are bullshit

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FWIW, after spending a year seeing some doctors and getting not even a friggen correct diagnosis for my in-the-end-not-actually-a-"back"-issue, I saw an osteopath (of all things, and he did, in fact, come off like a quack) who suggested I had what I had originally self-diagnosed myself with before seeing the doctors who convinced me otherwise--a sacroiliac joint dysfunction--and then (after wasting some thankfully-small amount of time with even more doctors again) finally went to see a chiropractor to get the specific adjustment all the studies I was reading (sadly, while lying on the floor of my apartment watching BoJack Horseman wishing I were dead as the pain had gotten so bad I could barely even sleep anymore) would simply immediately fix that kind of issue (but which was going to take ridiculously long to convince a physical therapist to do... like, I had even already done months and months of PT) and it was almost like night and day... I only needed to see him like three times over the course of a week (to let the inflamed tissue slowly start to heal correctly while I wore a sacroiliac belt to sleep) and I was essentially fixed. So, I totally appreciate chiropractors have a lot of woo-woo to them (mine included: he seemed to worship a bone in your neck that I am pretty sure doesn't do shit all), but frankly: doctors suck too and chiropractors ain't that bad :/. Like, seriously: I was diagnosed with mild scoliosis of my spine when I was a kid, and the chiropractor I saw was the only person who cared enough--even with my explicitly bringing up that hint--to figure out if I was standing crooked (which he admittedly did with a silly iPad camera app ;P)... shouldn't that be "table stakes"? It turned out I was (and that that fits the pattern of sacroiliac joint dysfunction). Had I just gone to see the chiropractor in the first place--as has been recommended by my (honestly also a bit woo-woo ;P) friends, and which I had turned my nose up at, as being anti-chiropractor is "cool"--I would have likely saved myself a year of pain and a number of secondary effects I accumulated (such as a ton of weight gain from being increasingly unable to move for a year), as I am very confident he would have just done that adjustment on me as a matter of course, and if not he definitely would have noticed how I was standing a bit crooked immediately (unlike any of the three doctors I saw ;P).
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