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Re: Google fined €100M by Italian antitrust over Google Play abuse of dominance

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It's half true, there are plenty of android auto apps on the store. The majority of them are music playing apps. Navigation apps are not allowed by google. I have 2 cars with android auto and android auto is useless for me because i cannot mirror the phone screen.

Wait what? Only Google Maps is allowed? That is absurd.

Waze is definitely allowed (but then again, that’s Google too :) )

Re: Google fined €100M by Italian antitrust over Google Play abuse of dominance

#32
post #20

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this is just pretending and games. it's a novel around something in the periphery, when the center is very stable and established

What does your comment mean, in less poetic form?

I'm sorry but I can't express myself in a "less poetic form", because this space is not suitable for in-depth conversation and also because I don't have enough domain over the language. There's a book I can recommend though: Society of the Spectacle, Guy Debord, 1967.

Re: Google fined €100M by Italian antitrust over Google Play abuse of dominance

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Quick summary: the biggest electricity provider in the country (ENEL) made an app (Juicepass) to find and manage their charging stations across the country. The Android Auto functionality of the app has been rejected by Google for non disclosed "security concerns while driving". The antitrust ruled out it was because Google wanted to sabotage competitor apps to the charging stations finder built-in in the Google Maps…

And a quick reminder to everybody else that walled gardens don't actually help the consumer. They only arbitrarily restrict choice, they don't actually improve security (if any, that's provided by the sandboxing, not by the store "review"). If this company (ENEL) wasn't a huge state-wide electric company (inheriting their power and ties from the previous state-owned monopoly) how many chances do you think they had to…

IMO, walled gardens are besides the point. Whatever the working definition of walled garden, we can find some consumer or situation for whom it arguably makes sense.

The real problem isn't the wall, it's the gate. Adwords, Android, FB, Twitter, Spotify, Steam... those are all about controlling the gate. At that point, others do the work and the gatekeeper makes the profit.

Re: Google fined €100M by Italian antitrust over Google Play abuse of dominance

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post #15

What a steaming pile of digested waste material. Have they ever thought about fixing their app? There are plenty of Android Auto apps on the store.

It's half true, there are plenty of android auto apps on the store. The majority of them are music playing apps. Navigation apps are not allowed by google. I have 2 cars with android auto and android auto is useless for me because i cannot mirror the phone screen.

> Navigation apps are not allowed by google.

They removed that restriction last April[1], now devs can publish nav, parking, charger apps etc. Sygic[2] as an example.

[1] https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2021/04/start-your...

[2] https://www.sygic.com/android-auto

Re: Google fined €100M by Italian antitrust over Google Play abuse of dominance

#35
post #15

What a steaming pile of digested waste material. Have they ever thought about fixing their app? There are plenty of Android Auto apps on the store.

It's half true, there are plenty of android auto apps on the store. The majority of them are music playing apps. Navigation apps are not allowed by google. I have 2 cars with android auto and android auto is useless for me because i cannot mirror the phone screen.

According to this TomTom, MapFactor and other navigations apps work:

https://9to5google.com/2020/08/11/android-auto-navigation-ap...

Re: Google fined €100M by Italian antitrust over Google Play abuse of dominance

#36
post #25

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And a quick reminder to everybody else that walled gardens don't actually help the consumer. They only arbitrarily restrict choice, they don't actually improve security (if any, that's provided by the sandboxing, not by the store "review"). If this company (ENEL) wasn't a huge state-wide electric company (inheriting their power and ties from the previous state-owned monopoly) how many chances do you think they had to…

Walled gardens are just security theater. The App Store revenue was $72bn in 2020, yet the review time for an app is a few hours. App reviewers barely have any qualifications, they're just "call center operators" running off a script.

I've watched the App Store reviewers try out apps (not in person, from logging) and they do seem to do a pretty thorough job of exercising the functionality.

Re: Google fined €100M by Italian antitrust over Google Play abuse of dominance

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Re: Google fined €100M by Italian antitrust over Google Play abuse of dominance

#38
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's half true, there are plenty of android auto apps on the store. The majority of them are music playing apps. Navigation apps are not allowed by google. I have 2 cars with android auto and android auto is useless for me because i cannot mirror the phone screen.

Wait what? Only Google Maps is allowed? That is absurd.

Apparently that used to be true but is no longer. OsmAnd (OpenStreetMap navigation app) is releasing their Android Auto app later this year: https://github.com/osmandapp/OsmAnd/issues/3391

Re: Google fined €100M by Italian antitrust over Google Play abuse of dominance

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post #20

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this is just pretending and games. it's a novel around something in the periphery, when the center is very stable and established

What does your comment mean, in less poetic form?

If I can take a stab at it, it means that these $100 million fines are minor blips around an unchallenged central belief, held by all powerful stakeholders, that corporations should basically be allowed to exert tremendous power over markets and individuals. Essentially, the "Overton Window" for how to deal with something like Google is narrow -- fine them a hundred million or a billion -- instead of wide where possible solutions include shutting Google down, turning it into a citizens-owned co-op where every citizen in the country sits on its board, or other seemingly "outlandish" ideas.

Re: Google fined €100M by Italian antitrust over Google Play abuse of dominance

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post #25

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Walled gardens are just security theater. The App Store revenue was $72bn in 2020, yet the review time for an app is a few hours. App reviewers barely have any qualifications, they're just "call center operators" running off a script.

It is a lot more than "theatre". The first line of defence is the sandboxing built into the OS. The second line is a lot of automated analysis of the binaries that are uploaded. The human review is the third line, but that is much less about security.

..and the last line of defense is removing a bad app to prevent further harm.

Drivers licenses aren't only about competence. Sure, there's a test. But, there's also the ability to revoke a license.

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