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San Francisco All-Female Hacker House Aims to Support Women Builders

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Re: San Francisco All-Female Hacker House Aims to Support Women Builders

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Post by ummonk »

Barrin92 wrote: post #22
vmception wrote: post #19

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your words and I’m not familiar with those influencers Is the way they are addressing it compatible with existing laws? Do you see how easy that is for me to have zero emotion on this, your turn. Think of it as a standardized test question, you have to answer those based on accuracy.

>Is the way they are addressing it compatible with existing laws? Obviously. Private, gender separated clubs exist everywhere in the United States. Ever been to a sports club or a fraternity? Civil rights legislation addresses employment and 'spaces of public accommodation'. You're obviously JAQing off because you know this

California has legislation that goes beyond national legislation.

Re: San Francisco All-Female Hacker House Aims to Support Women Builders

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Post by mensetmanusman »

vmception wrote: post #17
mensetmanusman wrote: post #16

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People have the freedom to hang out with who they want?

With some limitations on housing, education, and employment. The question is whether those limitations apply here.

People have the freedom to sleep, learn, and work with who they want?

(It’s interesting to consider when this isn’t true in the US from a philosophical point of view)

Re: San Francisco All-Female Hacker House Aims to Support Women Builders

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Post by shephardjhon »

I am no legal expert so I won't comment on that aspect but I cant say I am surprized by the kneejerk MRA-type reaction here. Here is the actual issue, current "mixed" hacker houses don't attract women so this is a thing to address that weather its harassment or just general discomfort of living with unrelated people of the opposite gender. Another problem is the population of SF skews high percentage of men. If the men here can leave their tribalism for one second, it would possibly be a good thing for the people complaining or vaugely making dog whistles about this too. Personally the heavy male-to-female ratio is kind of a reason I would rather not live/work in SF as a single guy(this is me appealing to the most selfish instinct of the commenters here). Also if I do get married and have a daughter, I want her to have the same job options and location options as me, same with my sisters and cousins and female friends and I hope some of you can put aside your own fragile ego to think of those women. I am also willing to bet no women would be in the comments here because they have learned to know how toxic this comment section will be.

Re: San Francisco All-Female Hacker House Aims to Support Women Builders

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Post by suifbwish »

shephardjhon wrote: post #33

I am no legal expert so I won't comment on that aspect but I cant say I am surprized by the kneejerk MRA-type reaction here. Here is the actual issue, current "mixed" hacker houses don't attract women so this is a thing to address that weather its harassment or just general discomfort of living with unrelated people of the opposite gender. Another problem is the population of SF skews high percentage of men. If the m…

I think too often we make the mistake of thinking people have “fragile egos” when in reality they just don’t give a dump about what the other side wants or thinks.

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

klyrs wrote: post #25
vmception wrote: post #9

Are non-inclusive safe spaces legal? It seems that in residences that it would be sanctionable to deny housing based on assigned sex or gender identity, and in education it would be sanctionable to have admissions based on that as well. I was curious about this with Hackbright too, but I wasn't interested in this cause enough to see what legal counsel thought of it (it was the closest coding academy to me at one poin…

I'm still waiting to see a lawsuit forcing strip clubs to hire equal proportions of male and female dancers

That would almost certainly fall under the "bona fide occupational qualification"[1] exception.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bona_fide_occupational_qualifi...

Re: San Francisco All-Female Hacker House Aims to Support Women Builders

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Post by vmception »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #35
klyrs wrote: post #25

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I'm still waiting to see a lawsuit forcing strip clubs to hire equal proportions of male and female dancers

That would almost certainly fall under the "bona fide occupational qualification"[1] exception. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bona_fide_occupational_qualifi...

Oh that's interesting, so the strip club featuring women could have to just have other positions like bouncers, doormen, cooks etc that were fillable by both men and women, which they already do.

I didn't even think of that in the prior person's example.

Re: San Francisco All-Female Hacker House Aims to Support Women Builders

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Post by klyrs »

vmception wrote: post #36
TheCoelacanth wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would almost certainly fall under the "bona fide occupational qualification"[1] exception. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bona_fide_occupational_qualifi...

Oh that's interesting, so the strip club featuring women could have to just have other positions like bouncers, doormen, cooks etc that were fillable by both men and women, which they already do. I didn't even think of that in the prior person's example.

That's because I specified "dancers". But... as the gay cakes case shows, bisexuals probably won't be able to compel strip clubs to cater to them.
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