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Re: Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorithm to think I like it

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Use duckduckgo and this is a non-issue.

I think this reply is for you https://twitter.com/jjcollinsworth/status/139066623945075507...

To spell it out: it takes an increasing amount of effort to avoid any of your interests being tracked, logged, and almost immediately used in ways that you already know will be destructive. This is also an IT professional and a programmer saying this, so they do not want your advice. The fact that they can use many, many countermeasures which require many, many rabbitholes of research, that as a programmer they are able to understand (although they will have to be continually updated) is not a way to fix that fear it's the manifestation of that fear.

After 9/11 and the Patriot Act, librarians fought the government to keep the reading habits of patrons private as a core duty like doctors pledge to do no harm. Now it's difficult to get people to understand why clicking through to an attractive hammock while browsing Amazon registering in 900 databases and manifesting in ads and cold calls selling tropical vacations and being flagged on some government system as 2% more likely to be a flight risk if let out on bond (who am I kidding, AI doesn't give percentages, it just gives conclusions, looking at a hammock might be that stray pixel that can turn an OCR "O" into a "Q") - difficult to get some people to understand why that would make you nervous.

The answer to that isn't "use TOR to get to a VPN to browse amazon, and pay for that with a burner debit card loaded with bitcoin" or whatever works this week. There isn't really a hammock.

edit: also Amazon has that figured out, some researcher there figured out that they can identify you based on your click patterns and timing. Right now you can choose between 1) an app that will just click on everything silently, or 2) another app by a professor at some midwestern university that will jerk around the timing and positioning of your clicks in a way that throws your fingerprint off. The first app has been banned by every store, and triggers 80 warnings and a waiver that has to be signed with two-factor even if you manage to root your phone and sideload it. You have to compile the second app yourself, with a weird toolchain, and it draws in 640Mb of npm libraries. It's already been updated three times in response to Amazon's countermeasures, and the professor just wrote a paper about the entire method probably being ultimately doomed.

Re: Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorithm to think I like it

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I think Netflix is the worst offender. If you spend a minute too long looking at the menu for a movie it will not only auto play, but for the foreseeable future Netflix will assume you’re watching it, want to finish watching it and watch similar stuff. More than most other services Netflix doesn’t trust your ratings or your lists when making up recommendations.

Netflix apparently have no idea what I like. Well maybe they do, but don’t actually that type of content, so they just throw random junk at me.

Re: Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorithm to think I like it

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Even in a tweet about algorithms the guy can’t help but dunk on men to show what a nice guy he is.

Rainbow, BLM, it's all there, so he can afford the sharp reaction towards the "random dudes".

Without the protective ideological shield, that reaction would have been deemed "hostile" and "toxic" by the twitteria.

Re: Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorithm to think I like it

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I'm mildly curious about the whole Jordan Peterson anti-woke movement. Mildly, as in, I'm interested in the arguments but I often don't agree with them. I once made the mistake of clicking on a Peterson YouTube video and subsequently got only obscene alt-right "Peterson KILLS stupid feminist reporter!!" type of edited content. Like at some point 80% of my suggestions was crap like that, drowning out all the lovely nerdy Tom Scott stuff I come to YouTube for.

I had to reset all suggestions to get away from it. Whenever I now see a video like that about the culture wars (or about covid for that matter), I open an incognito browser and search for the title. It's nuts that this is necessary.

It's come to a point that I now hate suggestion engines with a passion. I wish I could simply only see the tweets/videos/whatever from people I follow/subscribe, chronologically. I can't figure out whether the people making these services are simply incompetent or downright evil.

The AI future is now and it's awful.

Re: Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorithm to think I like it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried it and went back to google because google saves me time. As a dev, I google a lot to figure out how to do X. My experience with DuckDuckGo was that it added 2-10 minutes of filtering for usable results every time.

I am using DuckDuckGo and my experience is completely different, but I might be missing something. Do you have an example of a search you've done where the results were much better from Google Search than from DuckDuckGo?

My experience is that we reached a point where if DuckDuckGo can’t find something, then neither can Google. For local search Google is still a little better, but they choosen to drown out actual results with ads.

Re: Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorithm to think I like it

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Sure lots of negatives, but in a few cases, it can also be useful. I have carefully used a YouTube account that's specifically trained for just the right music recommendations that the auto-play just works mostly right.

I use stimulating music (not relaxing) for work mainly, playing in background, and don't want to keep finding new music. Novelty is an important factor in stimulatory music. So this has been great for me.

Re: Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorithm to think I like it

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I don't know how common this is, but I've gotten into the habit of creating "personas"-- different users that have different habits and are interested in different things, yet all me. It's insane that I feel it helpful to take on "multiple personalities", but there it is. Part of it is that these algorithms are fairly one-track. They can mix it up a bit, but it's always too much of one thing and too little of another…

another solution is to use 2 instances of chrome or firefox with different --user-data-dir which can run in parallel . It's actually very convenient for checking up stuff without 'messing' the main setup

Re: Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorithm to think I like it

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It's annoying clicking some youtube link only to find it was something you really don't want more of, and then youtube proceed to recommend much more of it, even though you barely watched any of it. kinda forces me to watch something else that is new but at least somewhat wanted in an attempt to make the algorithm look at the new shiny i'm interested in and forget the previous one. i find it funny though when amazon…

You can delete your YouTube history, which will make the recommendations usually disappear.

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