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Re: Playlist for iOS

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Post by xNeil »

waltherg wrote: post #17
xNeil wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course! And while that is a valid point, my issue is not that you can turn them on or off - it's the fact that they are there. Again -I totally understand they have to make money. This is only my opinion - that's all - but it just seems wrong to replace someone else's ads with your own.

I thought the point of those ads wasn't that Brave make money but that you accrue those Brave tokens as a representation of your attention and get to send those tokens to publishers of your choice via the browser? Also, I turned them off as these ads are quite annoying and have a "cheap feel" to them.

Brave does make money off of them - they get 30%, you get 70%, I believe.

And yes, the idea of sending BAT to websites directly was excellent. The website needs to have registered for the BAT wallet though. (Not a big deal, of course)

Re: Playlist for iOS

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Post by danielmeskin »

parhamn wrote: post #6

FYI, There is a really cool design project here: https://refresh.study/ that also explored the 'playlist' feature. I've been building a browser the past year ( https://synth.app ), and have learned a few things from it (including implementing media players like this). Really makes you realize how little our browsers are currently doing for us.

Sorry if this was asked already but is Synth chromium based?

Re: Playlist for iOS

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Post by xNeil »

devmunchies wrote: post #24
xNeil wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I can't be sure of what they were trying to say, my guess would be they were referring to the fact that Mozilla earns money from partnering with Google, while Brave doesn't need to do that, they have BAT, and so Brave might not be as hesitant to modify YouTube functionality as Mozilla.

yes exactly, you said it better than me. Brave has more freedom since they don't need to concern themselves with biting the hand that feeds.

Alright, glad I could help!

Re: Playlist for iOS

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Post by Apocryphon »

xNeil wrote: post #9

I used to use Brave a lot, not so much now. They seem to be trying to become a privacy-friendly alternative to Google, which I respect, but I'm not sure why, I thoroughly dislike their Brave Ads. Not because their (edit:they're) intrusive, but they're basically saying "We're going to block ads from Google, but we're going to show you our own ads, because ours are privacy-friendly!" They are adding a subscription feat…

It seems pretty common for tech companies/projects touting openness and freedom becoming that which they fight against. Witness all of the issues Firefox have fallen prey over the years. I remember a decade ago when Ubuntu first added Amazon integration into search results. CyanogenMod losing its way, the company behind it commercializing it and signing the partnership with Microsoft. Seems like it happens a lot.

Re: Playlist for iOS

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Post by xNeil »

Apocryphon wrote: post #34
xNeil wrote: post #9

I used to use Brave a lot, not so much now. They seem to be trying to become a privacy-friendly alternative to Google, which I respect, but I'm not sure why, I thoroughly dislike their Brave Ads. Not because their (edit:they're) intrusive, but they're basically saying "We're going to block ads from Google, but we're going to show you our own ads, because ours are privacy-friendly!" They are adding a subscription feat…

It seems pretty common for tech companies/projects touting openness and freedom becoming that which they fight against. Witness all of the issues Firefox have fallen prey over the years. I remember a decade ago when Ubuntu first added Amazon integration into search results. CyanogenMod losing its way, the company behind it commercializing it and signing the partnership with Microsoft. Seems like it happens a lot.

Absolutely - I have noticed the same in effectively all startups. I'm not even out of high school yet, so take my words with a pinch of salt, but my guess would be all companies may start out as 'enthusiast' brands, of sorts. Since their market is well defined and not very large, once they outgrow their market, investors who want higher returns and more revenue probably push them to expand outside their original market, thus reducing their focus on the original market.

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Also, what is CyanogenMod? And why did Ubuntu add Amazon products to its search results?

Re: Playlist for iOS

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Post by parhamn »

danielmeskin wrote: post #32
parhamn wrote: post #6

FYI, There is a really cool design project here: https://refresh.study/ that also explored the 'playlist' feature. I've been building a browser the past year ( https://synth.app ), and have learned a few things from it (including implementing media players like this). Really makes you realize how little our browsers are currently doing for us.

Sorry if this was asked already but is Synth chromium based?

No problem. It is. I an curious how you feel about that. The engine is a bit agnostic of the rendering layer (we will have a similarly powerful iOS app at some point too).

Re: Playlist for iOS

#37

Post by Apocryphon »

xNeil wrote: post #35
Apocryphon wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems pretty common for tech companies/projects touting openness and freedom becoming that which they fight against. Witness all of the issues Firefox have fallen prey over the years. I remember a decade ago when Ubuntu first added Amazon integration into search results. CyanogenMod losing its way, the company behind it commercializing it and signing the partnership with Microsoft. Seems like it happens a lot.

Absolutely - I have noticed the same in effectively all startups. I'm not even out of high school yet, so take my words with a pinch of salt, but my guess would be all companies may start out as 'enthusiast' brands, of sorts. Since their market is well defined and not very large, once they outgrow their market, investors who want higher returns and more revenue probably push them to expand outside their original mark…

https://www.cio.com/article/3167530/lessons-from-the-rise-an...

https://www.zdnet.com/article/shuttleworth-defends-ubuntu-li...

Re: Playlist for iOS

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Post by imwillofficial »

xNeil wrote: post #14
jarenmf wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But you can easily disable the ads if you don't like them

Of course! And while that is a valid point, my issue is not that you can turn them on or off - it's the fact that they are there. Again -I totally understand they have to make money. This is only my opinion - that's all - but it just seems wrong to replace someone else's ads with your own.

I think it’s a matter of perspective.

Those who serve ads might see them as a way to fund their services.

However, we see this being abused on a near daily basis, by not only service operators, but by ad networks themselves.

The flip side is, from a user perspective, nobody has a right to run ads on my machine I don’t want.

Brave solves for that. Shows me ads I opt into, and gives a mechanism for service operators to get paid.

Is it perfect? No, but I think it hits close to the target.

Re: Playlist for iOS

#39

Post by jay_kyburz »

eredengrin wrote: post #28
xNeil wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course! And while that is a valid point, my issue is not that you can turn them on or off - it's the fact that they are there. Again -I totally understand they have to make money. This is only my opinion - that's all - but it just seems wrong to replace someone else's ads with your own.

> it just seems wrong to replace someone else's ads with your own. I can see how it might feel scummy to do this, but on the other hand, from a rational perspective I'm having a tough time seeing what's wrong with it. If it's because it's taking away revenue from the party serving the ads, then replacing the ads is no worse than blocking ads entirely. If it's because the organization blocking the ads is directly bene…

> I'm having a tough time seeing what's wrong with it

I block ads so that I will not be manipulated into buying things I don't want or need. I'm defending myself from an assault on my ego and self worth. I'm not making money, I'm just consuming content that people have chosen to make public.

When Brave replaces the ads of a website they are just stealing the content and selling it.

Re: Playlist for iOS

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Post by no_wizard »

Apocryphon wrote: post #34
xNeil wrote: post #9

I used to use Brave a lot, not so much now. They seem to be trying to become a privacy-friendly alternative to Google, which I respect, but I'm not sure why, I thoroughly dislike their Brave Ads. Not because their (edit:they're) intrusive, but they're basically saying "We're going to block ads from Google, but we're going to show you our own ads, because ours are privacy-friendly!" They are adding a subscription feat…

It seems pretty common for tech companies/projects touting openness and freedom becoming that which they fight against. Witness all of the issues Firefox have fallen prey over the years. I remember a decade ago when Ubuntu first added Amazon integration into search results. CyanogenMod losing its way, the company behind it commercializing it and signing the partnership with Microsoft. Seems like it happens a lot.

Put bluntly: We live in a world that success is most often, and routinely, measured in currency. If a company can't convert users into direct paying customers (e.g., I give them money, they give me a service, not talking about ads means you the product type customer) in one way or another, they may instead either turn the customer into the product (ads, for instance) or seek profitable partnerships to sustain the organization and themselves

I can't always blame them, really, families need to be fed, people need to feel like it's worth it, and so on. In so many ways, it really does suck because I feel like it stifles innovative ideas, particularly ones that need long term execution. Look at Redis and licensing, it's the same thing, really, in terms of struggle.

If we had a separate way for engineers / companies to fall back where they did not have to worry about this in the same way, then I believe this wouldn't happen the same way, if at all, in many of these circumstances.

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