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What nobody says about startup moms

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Re: What nobody says about startup moms

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Man or woman... It's egoistic to get kids and if you really can't spend the time needed with them, that's pretty egoistic too.

> It's egoistic to get kids It's egoistic to breathe oxygen, to drink freshwater and to eat food too.

I think the point of GP is - water won't hold it against you for being an absentee parent (imbiber?).

Re: What nobody says about startup moms

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> Everyone knows kids consume your time. But what people without kids may not realize is the extent to which people with kids want their time to be consumed by them. This is one of the hardest parts of parenthood to communicate to non-parents: Yes, children demand a lot of time and attention. However, as a parent you actually enjoy spending that time with your children. To the author's point: Different people will wa…

I think a lot of that comes from parents often expressing all the negatives of parenthood rather than the positives. Even the ones who love spending time with their kids, in my experience, talk more about how much attention the kids need, taking them to school, the diaper changes, the crying, and so on. This isn't to say that all parents are like this; I've met some really passionate parents, and my parents relished raising me. But in interpersonal discussions as well as popular media, parenthood is usually portrayed as a chore and even a "whoopsie".

Re: What nobody says about startup moms

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What is unacceptable to me is why this question is never asked of Fathers. I don’t think anyone would blink at hearing that a dad only sees his kids on weekends, but is it not just as harmful? Ultimately though, I fail to understand why anyone without the proper time to devote to a child would chose to have one.

I’d wager that most people would agree that any dad that is seeing his children only on weekends is failing as a father. Obviously there’s some extreme exceptions but by and large I can’t imagine anyone advocating for him.

Lots of horrible fathers in the military, logging, and on oil platforms, I guess.

Re: What nobody says about startup moms

#34

People probably assume that women are more likely to spend more time with their kids by observing the way that parents interact with their children in primate species (including in humans). Maybe we should be doing more stuff that supports women being able to have their kids at work with them (if they chose to work) instead of somehow implying that there is worth in forfeiting substantial portions of the healthy part…

Another way is to make it so we don't expect it to be the mother who spends most time with their kids. Fathers also vary in how much time they want to spend with their kids, but society assumes it is less than mothers, which can make it difficult for men to do this, which in turn limits the mothers ability to spend less time with their children to focus on work.

In most situations there is usually a primary carer, that should not be expected to be the mother.

Re: What nobody says about startup moms

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absence of either is more or less even-equal of a problem: Jordan Peterson and Warren Farrell on The Boy Crisis and Gender Politics - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AA1lR3CC4s

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I've seen him talk about his tendency toward depression and I've seen him talk about his recent addiction, illness, and ongoing recuperation.

I've watched a lot of his videos and read his books. I never saw him mock mental disease or say that addiction was for the weak (unless to the extent that all humanity is weak). That just doesn't sound like the type of thing Peterson would say. I have a hard time believing you.

Re: What nobody says about startup moms

#36

Man or woman... It's egoistic to get kids and if you really can't spend the time needed with them, that's pretty egoistic too.

> It's egoistic to get kids It's egoistic to breathe oxygen, to drink freshwater and to eat food too.

Aren't those more about the id than the ego?

Re: What nobody says about startup moms

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> I remember chatting with a woman at a work event one night and asking if she needed to go home soon because of her kids. She replied, “No, I see my kids on weekends.” I couldn’t help but cringe thinking about what it would be like to only see my son on weekends. It seemed horrible! If you work 9-5 (really 8-5 most places) this is basically true anyway. Most of the time you get with them on weekdays may have some qu…

I have fond childhood memories of my dad on weekday evenings: card games; scrabble; quick swims in the ocean; sneaking out of bed if he made nachos late at night.

Of course I have weekend memories too (more of the above, plus also trips/camping/whatever). But they actually stand out less in my memory than the almost-habitual kind of weeknight stuff.

Re: What nobody says about startup moms

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The focus on "start-ups" here, while not exclusively, does sway far toward the VC-model, of course because that's also YC's model. Is that model nearly incompatible with parenting? It might be. But that doesn't mean that there aren't parallel eco-systems of "start-ups" for those with various lifestyles (I know, lifestyle b**** is a dirty word here.).

The hypergrowth, VC-funded startup model virtually depends on founders and executives investing 100% of their time and energy into the company. With most startups trying to capture new markets, if you don't give 100% then your competitors will.

Obviously any job that requires 80-hour works isn't going to be compatible with spending a lot of time with your kids. Like you said, there are plenty of other businesses and business models that don't have such onerous demands. They may not become the next unicorn and VC darling, but they leave room for a more normal life outside of work.

Re: What nobody says about startup moms

#39
Kids' effect on work life is an important topic.

I think it's possible that male, man, men can be substituted for female, woman, women in this article and have it be just as true except for this:

> But what people without kids may not realize is the extent to which people with kids want their time to be consumed by them. And, on the whole, I’d guess women more so than men.

I have no data on that.

Re: What nobody says about startup moms

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The focus on "start-ups" here, while not exclusively, does sway far toward the VC-model, of course because that's also YC's model. Is that model nearly incompatible with parenting? It might be. But that doesn't mean that there aren't parallel eco-systems of "start-ups" for those with various lifestyles (I know, lifestyle b**** is a dirty word here.).

I think they are quite incompatible. Me and my wife have a 1y4m old and we mostly don't do anything else nowadays. Other than that we have (had?) a startup that is now mostly on hold, except for some hacking that we do now and then when one of our mothers is around. We are very lucky that we are mostly financially independent from before our son was born, otherwise I would have to go work in an office and it would be…

As a counter example, my wife started a company when she was pregnant with our second child, and then raised millions of dollars in her first round when the child was a few months old. The company is still going strong and she is prepping to raise another round. And our child is a beautiful, happy toddler now.
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