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Verizon Sells AOL and Yahoo to Apollo for $5B

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Re: Verizon Sells AOL and Yahoo to Apollo for $5B

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I can’t find information on how Apollo Group runs it’s PE portfolio. I assume they will eliminate costs and merge businesses where it makes sense. The press release mentions brick and mortar opportunities but Apollo doesn’t own major brands outside of Sprouts and GNC. It sounds like another miss for Yahoo again.

I believe Apollo has a big stake in several casinos. Yahoo’s sports/fantasy data is probably their most valuable & viable site. The regulatory environment surrounding online gambling, sports gambling, and daily fantasy gambling in particular has been changing rapidly and, despite being well situated from a technology standpoint, Yahoo hasn’t made much of an effort to capitalize on it. I’m guessing Apollo plans to find a way for the Yahoo sports data to work with their casinos to get on the legalized gambling gravy train.

Re: Verizon Sells AOL and Yahoo to Apollo for $5B

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This was never in doubt. Everyone knew this was going to happen. Are non tech companies really that foolish to think they can salvage a brand that was relevant 10 years ago and revive it? I have a feeling this is some kind of tax avoidance scheme. Knowing nothing about taxes and accounting I will let knowledgeable people correct me.

> Are non tech companies really that foolish to think they can salvage a brand that was relevant 10 years ago and revive it?

Sure you can, though branding isn't the only way to make a successful business. Kleenex knock-offs thrive even though nobody ever says "please hand me the Generic Tissue Paper". Assuming there are professionals involved (not just rich techbros that have held on since founding) tech companies should be operated the same as non-tech companies. Build a good product, keep costs down, drive sales, put away cash, grow your market.

Once AOL and Yahoo were acquired, it should have been possible to convert them into factories for generic content and services, and service many small brands. But you need an experienced executive and management class that can do this efficiently. It's much easier to turn an acquisition into an poorly-run independent cash cow, or plunder its IP and eliminate it.

I've seen acquisitions go many ways. In some, the parent company may end up more like the acquisition because its business or product was more robust. Other times the point was to obtain some tech and absorb it into the parent company's products. Other times they just wanted a steady cash flow and a foothold into a new market. Sometimes they keep the acquisition fairly independent, because it already has a strong brand and products and they seem to be fucking up less than other acquisitions. Sometimes the companies' execs were literally just golf buddies and one just decided to help the other out of a bind. Sometimes they have no idea why the fuck they bought it or what to do with it, some moron at the top just thought "we need an X, we'll figure out what to do with it later". Sometimes

Re: Verizon Sells AOL and Yahoo to Apollo for $5B

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I've been waiting for Yahoo to finally die for a decade now.

I haven't heard of anyone using yahoo for anything except to check ticker prices in years.

My "junk" e-mail address is a yahoo address.

I'd actually be a little sad to see it go, I have almost 20 years of random e-mails in there.

Re: Verizon Sells AOL and Yahoo to Apollo for $5B

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Before people go all ballistic, please remember that yahoo and AOL make $700 million from Mail and a billion dollars from search. AOL sells huge number of paid dialup based email accounts(for older people though). So the sale price is approximately two years of revenue. Apollo is getting it cheap!

Re: Verizon Sells AOL and Yahoo to Apollo for $5B

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't heard of anyone using yahoo for anything except to check ticker prices in years.

My "junk" e-mail address is a yahoo address. I'd actually be a little sad to see it go, I have almost 20 years of random e-mails in there.

Ah, that's actually a significant loss. It's quite useful to be able to search for when you signed up for X or Y years ago.

Most of the time you don't need it but when you do it's really valuable - e.g. I recently recovered some tiny at the time sums of crypto that were worth a few thousands now that way.

Re: Verizon Sells AOL and Yahoo to Apollo for $5B

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post #32

I've been waiting for Yahoo to finally die for a decade now.

I haven't heard of anyone using yahoo for anything except to check ticker prices in years.

A lot of people use it for fantasy sports because... I'm not sure why but they do. Also its impossible to set up email forwarding with them so I have a very old email address I keep active.

Re: Verizon Sells AOL and Yahoo to Apollo for $5B

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post #15
post #13

This was never in doubt. Everyone knew this was going to happen. Are non tech companies really that foolish to think they can salvage a brand that was relevant 10 years ago and revive it? I have a feeling this is some kind of tax avoidance scheme. Knowing nothing about taxes and accounting I will let knowledgeable people correct me.

Yahoo is still in wide use by people and AOL owns a number of properties and has a decent ad business. It may be that these companies were trying to extract value from them. This happens a decent amount these days. It's less about salvaging a brand.

I still have a verizon.net email address (managed by AOL) that I use exclusively for sites that are likely to spam me. The torrent of political email I got at that address before the last election was amazing to behold.

Re: Verizon Sells AOL and Yahoo to Apollo for $5B

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From the article: …“it agreed to sell Yahoo and AOL to the private equity firm Apollo Global Management for $5 billion.” They apparently paid $4.4 billion for AOL, and Yahoo they got for $4.48 billion. I have to say: only losing $5 billion while handling the decaying corpses of AOL and Yahoo is, weirdly, kind of a triumph. These are cursed properties, and bring only despair. Though I’m surprised they didn’t try to ke…

Doubtful that they lost money. The company has probably returned some profit over all these years. They got a huge tax benefit from the 2018 write-off, $1BN from selling the Yahoo buildings to Google, and now $5BN from selling 90% of it.

Re: Verizon Sells AOL and Yahoo to Apollo for $5B

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yahoo has large and growing customers (example: DuckDuckGo)

What is DuckDuckGo buying from Yahoo? I was under the impression that both search and ads has supplied by Microsoft.

Who does Microsoft partner with for ad monetization? Verizon Media
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